Why did plasma TV's lose out over LCD and LED?

Apparently Panasonic and Samsung are getting out of the plasma TV business. Pioneer already has. What happened? I know that plasmas use more electricity but I have yet to see an LCD that can hold a candle to my plasma for color, lack of motion blur or viewing angle.

I’m guessing that it has to do with profit but that’s really just a guess.

Don’t know but I agree, my Samsung plasma has an incredible picture with true blacks and no ghosting.

Last longer, cheaper to build (in general) and don’t suffer from image burn-in. While no doubt many plasmas gave a good/great picture, they are going the way of the Betamax.

This is the wave of the future, ultra-HD: Samsung and LG unveil super-sized 105-inch Ultra HD televisions – there are quite a few out already in smaller sizes.

Perhaps its just me but I’ve always observed a slight flicker when checking out plasma TV’s, when I bought my most recent TV I went for LCD for that reason (bought approx four years ago)

Others might have had similar experiences?

Given what I’ve heard about 1040 HD TVs (i.e., that beyond a certain distance/below a certain size, there’s no real advantage over 720), I’m not sure I understand what we have to gain from this ultra-HD other than on gigantazoid screens. (I’ve got a 48"? or so, and really couldn’t go much bigger in my current situation. 105" is sorta mindboggling, and I have a hard time thinking that I’d ever have a room/situation that would suit one.)

Not better color but better blackness.

Plasma got a bad rep, high power consumption and fear of burn in. Also its benefit which many take as a slightly blacker shade of black was not a important selling point. Heavier weight is also a factor, which also translates into style and thinness. LCD’s have also compensated for the blackness issue quite a bit, not there yet, but better then before - so lessening the demand for further ‘blackness’.

It really doesn’t matter much how true those are only the belief that they are true.

I also question your claim of motion blur, but don’t see that as a factor in this.

The worst part of Plasma IMHO was in was cheaper, and people when spending $$$ don’t want to cheap out, so maybe the biggest reason that plasma lost out is because it was the best cost wise.

100" HD TVs have been around for many years. They’re called projectors, and they can be had for less than $3K. :slight_smile:

The basic rule for competing technologies is simple: “good enough” always wins out over the best. LCD & LED are good enough.

Can I just point out that LED screens still use LCDs. “LED” refers to the light source, which in conventional LCDs is a cold cathode fluorescent tube.

I knowingly sacrificed image quality and price for lower power consumption when I bought my LED TV. I don’t know if that makes me a typical consumer, but I’m always curious about threads like this where people list drawbacks to a product and then ask why they didn’t succeed. It may very well be because of those drawbacks.

Plasmas are:

-heavier
-hotter
-use more electricity
-their picture is more compromised by external light sources
-are more prone to burn-in
-have a shorter life-span

Now they aren’t objectively much heavier, they aren’t much hotter, they don’t use that much more electricity. Not in the grand scheme of tthings and especially compared to CRTs. But on paper they look worse.

Then there is burn-in and life span, a real problem for bars and other such places where the TV sits on one ( or a few ) sport channel for 18 hours a day. Not an issue for most consumers, but just another check in the negative column.

But I think the single-biggest failings is their inferiority in non-muted light settings. Both LCDs and plasmas will have their settings artifically boosted to absurd brightness levels in big box stores, but LCDs will always look better at a Best Buy when sitting next to a comparable plasma. Plasmas are meant for viewing in a darkened room which a.) is inconvenient for some consumers in general, but more importantly b.) means they always look worse relative to an LCD in-store, which drives a lot of purchases. Not all that many people do reams of research before purchasing their TV.

I much prefer plasmas over LCDs. I think the picture quality is just flat-out superior. But I’ve been predicting their eventual demise for a few years now.

I can’t speak for your model, but I was in the TV repair business for many years (until April of this year) and nearly any LCD TV has darker blacks than any plasma. Just look at the screens when powered off. The difference is the higher contrast range in plasmas (brighter whites).

Basically, plasmas run hotter, consume more power, are less reliable, are highly subject to burn-in, weigh quite a bit more and cost more to produce and can’t compete with the falling prices of LCD.

The TVs in his link were actually wider versions of the latest 4K offerings. While there are true 4K projectors around, I’m not aware of any that have been around for years nor that cost less than $3k.In fact, the ones that are native 4K seem to be in the 5 digit range and still have lower horizontal resolutions than his linked devices.

I never mentioned projectors – and even still, if you go for the best & and have a dedicates show room, you’d still be better off with an LED…in my not so humble opinion anyway. Mind you, none are Ultra-HD

Of course if money is no object, just ask me. I might get a commission out of it :wink:

Right on poimt when it comes to Ultra-HD.

We could start a club. Heck, the streets are littered with redundant tv service techs. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Anecdotal comment w/regard to plasma longevity…we first purchased a flat screen somewhere between 9 - 10 years ago. Don’t recall if at that time there was a choice of plasma and LCD. Anyway, we bought a Pioneer plasma set. Well, here we are today and nothing has ever gone wrong with it and it still works perfectly.

Some of us who started with tubes.

I think the market for plasma got polluted by the cheap ones. They were the equivalent of GM selling econoboxes with leather steering wheels, and a lot of buyers got turned off.

Pioneer never made its own glass, making it easy for them to get out of the segment. Panasonic and Samsung are both glass makers; that’s a bigger deal.

Glare was the determining point for me. Plasma screens reflect much more glare than LCD. Since it is impractical to completely darken the room where the TV resides, I opted for LCD.

earlier plasma’s didn’t seem to have very good contrast. Dark scenes got wiped out.

As for the ultra HD TV’s, what’s going to feed it? Is there an ultra HD media source anywhere?