Apologies. Grand so. Will refrain henceforth.
Myself grew up in a jurisdiction where until 2005 the AoC was 14. So talk about some star getting it on with teen groupies registers initially in my mind as inappropriate, as taking advantages, but not as a criminal assault. (Sure, if chasing teenyboppers remains a constant pattern when the star is 20 years into the oldies circuit, then that may be &^%$# pathological but that’s another story… )
I’m hoping when you say “southern part of your continent” you are talking about Mexico because otherwise you are wrong. There are permutations such as the above mentioned Romeo and Juliet rules but the age of consent in the south is not appreciatively different than similar laws in the rest of the country.
*And I didn’t bother looking up Mexico so you might be wrong there too.
It’s that part called ‘South America’.
Maybe it’s different where you are but for a lot of people Mexico in ‘Central America’.
South America is a different continent. North America extends to Panama. There is no continent named Central America.
Thank you, Christopher Columbus.
Two members of reasonably successful 1960s and 1970s UK pop band The Tremeloes (biggest hit probably Silence Is Golden) are currently passing through the British legal system.
Leonard Hawkes (70) and Richard Westwood (68) are accused of Indecent Assault on a 15 year old girl back in 1968. They are currently out on bail and the case will restart in April.
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No, it isn’t; you are wrong. Age of consent in the US is between 16 and 18, depending on the state. Cite.
In the 1970s, girls could get married at age 14 in my state.
Anyway, it was a different time. It was a different time even during my teenaged years in the 80s. No one questioned my age when I went backstage at concerts, because I was a Pretty Girl. That’s all anyone was interested in, really. shrug I didn’t sleep around, but I damn sure used the Pretty Girl card to get backstage.
(And I hope to god that in the future no one brings up my wildly misspent youth. I assume no one who was there really remembers the details.)
I attended college keg parties when I was 15. And, no, I didn’t tell my mother, who would’ve freaked out. But I knew damn well that in her teen years in the late 50s/early 60s, she was modelling and going to THOSE parties, which were way wilder than any keg party at a college. Do as I say had no charms for me.
Jonathan King had a prolific early career during the 1960s and 1970s turning out 18 charting novelty pop records under a variety of names and was also linked as a producer/manager to Genesis, 10cc and very successful 1970s British Pop band the Bay City Rollers.
He was found guilty in 2001 of buggering some boys aged 14 to 15 during the 1980s and sentenced to a few years in jail. He has since been released.
He claims he has been treated unjustly. Part of his arguments have been that (he claims) his partners were over 16 which would have been legal if they had been female. But at the time was not legal for homosexual sex.
His critics have suggested he was using his position in the music business to audition thousands of young boys. Overtly to assess their ability to break into the music business but in reality he was grooming them for abuse.
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Age of consent in Canada was raised from 14 to 16 - in 2008! (It was raised from 12 to 14 in 1890).
Once again he is probably more of a pop star rather than a rock star but Cliff Richard. In 1959 he was seen (honestly) as a British version of Elvis Presley and would later be lauded by John Lennon. Although his image rapidly softened he has had an enduring fame and is a British institution. He has also had eight hits in the USA. Notably Devil Woman.
He has come out as a Christian and he has never married. Indeed there are regular suggestions he may still be a virgin. Or only had sex once, in the 1960s with the wife of one of the guitarists in The Shadows who were his then backing band.
Despite the alleged virginity he has been under police investigation since 2014 for (probably historic) ‘sexual abuse’ although so far, despite a clumsy and very public police investigation, he has not been charged with anything.
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Teenagers who end up backstage with a series of men deserve the protection of the law. Because they’re teenagers, and we’ve decided that they can’t consent, even if they’re throwing themselves naked at said men. Let’s not act like the poor rock stars are the victims here.
That said, a claim that comes out just after a man has died and can no longer defend himself - I’m less than inclined to give it much thought. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bowie did some very unsavory things in his day, because 70s and cocaine, but I imagine that’s true of a lot of the celebrities of the time, and I’ll pick and chose my outrage based on the strength and notoriety of the accusation.
Also, who gives a shit about the consent laws of South America? What does that have to do with anything?
You’re not even right for the northern part of the Americas. It took about 20 seconds to look at Connecticut - conditional consent starts at 13-years old.
In Central and South America 14 is the norm, as it was in Canada until recently.
From AgeofConsent.com :
If two people who are both between the ages of 13 and 16 have sex with each other, that is also legal in Connecticut. It also has jack squat to do with the actions of adult rock stars, so I don’t see why you’re bringing it up.
In Brazil, age of consent is 14. Not relevant to the discussion. In Yemen, you can marry a 10 year old. This is horrible, but also irrelevant.
By now IMO it’s becoming a case of Someone On The Internet Is Wrong.
At one point it was part of a comment about how it’s not a universal inherent thing to look badly upon fooling around with teenagers.
It’s not a universal inherent thing to look badly upon just about anything, if you work enough at it. It’s the weakest of last ditch arguments.
No, you are wrong. I gave a cite. When come back, bring facts.
Not sure why you think this is relevant to the discussion; it isn’t.
How did we get this far in the thread with no mention of The Motor City Madman?
Right. It’s just one data point about perceptions and attitudes. The thread question though deals with societies that since have ostensibly taken a hard line on that sort of behavior. Do we just say “oh, those were other times”? It was already illegal. Do we say we will distinguish predatory behavior from merely wild and reckless? Do we say “up to the person involved if they want to complain later”? Etc.