(Mods - no factual answer so not GQ, not sure if more IMHO or Great Debates, but it’s kinda like religion so I’m going with GD)
Not quite sure how to frame this spin off from this thread. Trying to understand the “need” under common scenarios for high capacity magazines. I’m having difficulty imagining a responsible gun owner with a reasonable skill level that would need 30 rounds in a single clip when out hunting or for home defense. I’m not even sure how to define high capacity for various firearm types such as handguns, shotguns and rifles. My understanding is that 30 round is standard for an AR-15 type long gun (who some will refer to as an assault weapon)? Correct me if I’m mistaken but seems like 6 shot revolvers were standard for decades if not longer.
I would appreciate gun owners actually inputting to make this into a more technically relevant debate as I’m not up to speed on standard magazine sizes nor what might be sensible to a firearm owner? For example, 3 10 shot magazines versus 1 30 shot magazine, or 2 13 round magazines. Please also help from the debate derailing into hair splitting rat holes over whether a 13 round magazine for a Glock makes sense but a 12 round magazine doesn’t if you would? Let’s at least try to sketch out the broad strokes. Note: all numbers pulled out of my ass since I’m not a firearm enthusiast at this time.
Why would a hunter would need a 30 round magazine (or greater capacity)? If a deer hunter is such a bad shot that it takes 30 tries to bag a deer, I have concerns about collateral damage and accidents. I can see a convenience factor if you’re out hunting feral hogs by helicopter in Texas or taking out a prairie dog colony (if in fact these actions are legal). But also think that having a couple of smaller magazines would pretty much accomplish the same task, and these are not mainstream scenarios.
Castle defense as well. What’s a good number of rounds in a single magazine to adequately defend your home against armed intruders? Add in a safety factor. Is it 6, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50? Again, can we use reasonable scenarios instead of The Hells Angels and the Banditos joined forces to burgle your hi dev TV to watch the Super Bowl or the zombie apocalypse actually is here. :smack:
Thisis the first Bing search engine video hit for a “why do you need a 30 round magazine”. For those that don’t want to watch the couple minute video, his message is basically “you want to have more firepower than the bad guy.” Would appreciate firearm enthusiasts views on whether this guy is in the ballpark or a raging loon? He’s just the first video that came up in the search and I watched and not cherry picked to push an agenda.
Is it also agreed that a ban on high capacity magazines is not a 2nd amendment issue? For example, if the AR-15 type long gun has a 10 round magazine, it’s still an effective weapon for hunting and/or home defense, correct? It’s limiting the bullets in a magazine rather than anything to do with the right to buy and/or own the firearm?
And, there isn’t any magic number that will satisfy all people and all cases for magazine limits. That said, I would like to at least get to a broad consensus if there is any logic to a magazine limitation, and if it does in fact make sense to try limit magazine capacity what would be a “tolerable” limit. I do fear that this debate is akin to how many cats in a house moves you from cat lover to crazy cat lady to public health hazard…1 round is probably too limited, 100 unnecessary and where is the middle ground if there is one? Thanks for playing.