Why do gays want to call their relationship a "marriage"?

No…because we are talking about what is normal and legal. Of course, children are raised in single-parent households as a result of tragedy and brokeness. But that is not something we want to normalize. None of us would wish for our children to be raised in a single-parent household. We want what’s best for our children and a two parent, different-sex, intact family is what is best for the child. If the child had a vote, s/he would vote for such a family.

Children in foster homes are that way b/c of tragedy. If things were right, they wouldn’t be there. But when we legalize same-sex parenting, we normalize dysfunctionality.

isn’t that rather obvious? her procreating tools were removed. If she were healthy and intact, she would be perfectly capable of procreating. Two males or two females no matter how healthy can never under any circumstances procreate.

Aw. I feel bad for you. It’s like you think it’s 2004 and someone cares about your arguments against marriage equality.

But same sex parenting has been legal for decades. Given that it exists, isn’t it better for the couple to be married than not?

What do you prefer an unmarried same sex couple parenting a child or a married same sex couple, with all of the rights, parenting a child?

That’s correct. My opinion is the same as David Blankenhorn’s. Protecting marriage to protect children
This debate is about the children, not the adults.

Same-sex parenting has been legal for a long time (before SSM), and even before it was legal, same-sex parents existed (usually when one of the same-sex parents is the biological parent). There’s no data that suggests that children raised by same-sex parents are disadvantaged or less loved in any way. There’s no data that suggests that such children would prefer to be raised by different-sex parents.

Same-sex parents typically either adopt children who have no parents or raise the biological children of one of the parents. In both cases the alternative is far worse than being raised by the same-sex couple, even if same-sex parents were inferior parents to different-sex parents (and there’s no reason to believe this is so).

Your assertions sound like personally bigoted feelings about homosexual people. There’s no rational reason to believe that same-sex parents are “dysfunctional” or unable to raise children properly and with love.

I’ve got a good friend who was raised by two moms. (He was quite ahead of his time since he grew up in the 80s.) He’s a happy, well-adjusted guy who seems no worse for the experience.

It’s important for a child to be raised in a loving and caring environment, regardless of the genitalia of the people doing the raising. Frankly, your obsession with other people’s plumbing is coming off as a little pervy.

You want a separate term to call your friends who are unable to conceive, even though they want to have children? Wow… You must be lots of fun at parties. “Hey, here’s Bill & Jane; they’re infertile. How’s the yard coming along?”

That would end the need for abstinence-only education, otherwise…

Make sure to let the Supreme Court know about that; they may need to revise their decision.

Finally, someone is thinking about the children!

This David Blankenhorn?

But being a single parent is legal. You say you don’t want to normalize it, but you don’t say you want to make it illegal. But then you say you don’t want a same-sex couple to be parents: you don’t want it normalized or legalized. What am I missing? Why can’t you just do the same don’t-wanna-normalize-but-yeah-okay-legalize bit?

That opinion is from 2008. You might be surprised to find out that he changed his view in 2012.

But she’s not “healthy and intact.” She’s completely infertile. So shouldn’t she also be barred from marriage, just like gay people?

Anyway, gay people who want to have children, are going to have children, regardless of whether or not we can get married. Roll back all the gay marriage laws and rulings in this country, and you’ll still have lots and lots of kids being raised by gay parents. If there were actually a disadvantage to being raised by gay parents (and study after study has confirmed that there is not) why would you want to further disadvantage the children by preventing the adults from marrying? If this were “all about the children” as you claim, you should be eager to give them every possible advantage - including the advantage of being raised in a government-recognized marriage.

Yep. The “think of the children” argument just makes me more obviously for same-sex marriage.

Apparently, he thinks it’s 2007, but I guess that’s close enough.

As has been pointed out, he changed his mind. Does anything he wrote influence your thinking?

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Still counts. Just because you can’t have babies doesn’t mean you can’t have babies.

That would mean my relationship had ended in one way or another. I would indeed not want that, assuming I retained the capacity to care.

I knew gay couples and they only said they were marriage if they really were. Gay people get married for the same reason straight people do and I can’t understand why anyone care who a person want spend the reason of their life with. I hated people giving me shit for dating Black men and I sure can’t stand seeing this happening to gay people . All LOVE is the same , there is no wrong way to love someone.

The idea that the only difference between men and women is their genitalia is another point on which you and I disagree.

So if an opposite-sex family divorces and the custodial parent remarries, that child’s “basic human rights” are being violated by dint of their not being “raised by the parent who hatched them”?

I call bullhonkey.