“The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.” Ecc 1:6
“All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.” Ecc 1:7
Why wouldn’t the rivers flowing into the sea fill it up? Evaporation occurs over the ocean surface and is transported by upper level winds driven by differential heating and the rotation of the earth. Due to convergence, mechanical processes, and changes in the lapse rate(injection of cold air aloft, a diabatic process) precipitation occurs over land masses.
“unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again”.
I don’t recall learning about thermodynamics in the 6th grade. I was quoting a previous individual on this forum who claimed he understood it.
What type of man understood thermodynamics or “6th grade science” 3,000 years ago?
It is understandable you would avoid answering this question.
You aren’t describing thermodynamics. The bronze age men who wrote the bible didn’t understand that you should wash your hands before poking around in an open wound. Your dedication to blind and unthinking obedience to a book with no evidence supporting it is laughable.
You do know that this website is about *fighting *ignorance, right? Why are you here if you are specifically supporting the spreading of ignorance?
There is zero evidence for your god, there is zero evidence for magical insight in your book and there is literally millions if not billions of pieces of evidence that go against your claim that (for instance) there was a global flood.
Why do you go with zero evidence against millions of pieces evidence? Just because it’s what you want to hear? Isn’t that what an ignorant person would do?
“Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” Romans 9:20-21
But the Bible doesn’t say ANY of that. Even 3000 years ago anyone with half a brain could see that the rivers didn’t run dry and ocean didn’t fill up. Obviously something was supplying water at the beginning and removing it at the end – so it would be reasonable to assume that whatever mechanism was draining the ocean was also supplying the mountain springs. But for all they knew, a bucket brigade of angels was hauling water from the ocean and dumping it up in the mountains. Or there was a system of secret underground pipes. The actual passage in the Bible just assumes that the water that flows into the ocean somehow eventually winds up back in the mountains again, without providing any information about what the actual mechanism is.
What kind of man understood that the oceans don’t “fill up” when it rains? Pretty much anyone who lives near the sea. I’m no historian, but I bet a lot of bright folks had the water cycle at least partly figured out, even during the bronze age.
And the fact that the wind cycles “according to his circuits”? Pure prophetic genius! :rolleyes:
Who indeed could have come up with these gems but a supernatural being intimately familiar with the inner workings of the universe?
I’m not talking about a contradiction within the bible (such has been pointed to you already, and you failed to address), but a contradiction between the bible and what is now casually known about science. A god as powerful as you describe would not have made such an error unless:
To be fair, you are offering only gibberish in return for our questions. It is common for people in your position, that is to say, people who are advocating for utter, childish rubbish, to claim persecution.
But try to understand this. When you claim something utterly silly that flies in the face of hundreds of years of science, you are expected to back it up with more than smugly tapping the bible.
You are saying things as silly as suggesting the sun revolves around the Earth, and you are not supporting them with anything more than biblical verses.
Aristotle was the first man who proposed the idea of water evaporation. Although he had quite a rudimentary understanding. This was, I believe, around the 3rd century BC, at least 500 years after this verse was written.
“When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. “ Jer 10:13
Which is wrong. Water vapor doesn’t rise from the ocean because God orders it to. It rises because the sun shines on it. So whoever wrote that passage clearly DIDN’T UNDERSTAND EVAPORATION.
Okay, but water doesn’t come from heaven, there are no “ends of the earth”, lightning isn’t made from (or exclusively alongside) rain, and wind doesn’t come from anybody’s “treasures”. So the bible used the word “vapours” in a passage vaguely associated with weather and water. Why didn’t God just tell Aristotle, then, huh?
You are assuming that legitimate attempts haven’t been made to debate with you. You are ignoring things that you can’t answer and posting biblical verses.
When someone asks you why ice cores older than you think the Earth is you answer with a biblical verse. When someone asks you why there is no evidence for a world wide flood you answer with a biblical verse.
You aren’t debating. You are reciting fables instead of actually engaging in debate.
Your suggestion that Jerimiah 10:13 proves the bible was created supernaturally is insane. It’s wishful thinking because you really, really, want God to be real. But the fact is there is no evidence for it. So if you want to deal in the world of evidence and rationality, you need to play by the rules. I would enjoy if you would actually begin debating here. But I suspect you can’t, because your claims are so wildy irrational that they simply don’t hold up to scrutiny.