Her claim has the added bonus of being verifiably false.
I wasnt trying to equate them, I was just saying that pornography AND sexual deviations are much more prevelant among men than women.
You can explain it/rationalize it any way you want to, the fact is, that more men want pornography than women, more men have sexual deviations than women.
Trying to rationalize why men commit more crimes, why they get divorced more often, or why they have more sexual deviations is not going to change/correct anything, is not going to make men want to improve themselves.
Focusing on one’s appearance is a behavior that has evolved in females to attract mates. Males like females who are good looking; females like males who are powerful and can provide. Acting like a woman wouldn’t make a man any more attractive to the opposite sex.
If men spent more time focusing on their appearance, would they be divorced less often? Well, ask yourself this: If women spent more time buying fancy cars and ascending the corporate ladder, would they be divorced less often?
I agree that men enjoy porn more than women do, considering that male sexual arousal is much more visual in nature than female arousal. They also tend to be taller than women, and better at spatial problem solving - which are just as irrelevant to the OP.
Improve themselves how? Genetic tinkering?
Obviously, “rationalizing” why men commit more crimes than women won’t cause them to commit fewer crimes, any more than “rationalizing” why women are shorter than men will cause them to grow taller.
Yes, and romance novels are much more prevelant among women. The point is?
Is there any correlation in divorce laws affecting the percentage of divorces initiated by women? For instance, in states that assume joint custodial rights, is the difference so marked? I think you already know the answer to that question. I contend that divorce laws favor women, and that is why women are more willing to initiate divorce.
You sir, are correct. I should know better than to get baited so easily.
Anyone with an agenda in the gender wars can cherry pick statistics to paint the opposite gender as deficient. I formally retract all questions and cite requests I posed to Susanann, before I start citing suicide attempts and other equally irrelevant statistics.
I said my piece on driving, which is a pet peeve of mine, and divorce, and will leave it at that.
By getting our nails done, of course. :rolleyes:
Jeez, you can tell it’s all men in here, because they’re so damn rude!
Welcome to the SDMB, Choie.
**Why Do Men Commit Most Of The Crime? **
'cause women are pikers who don’t carry their fair share of the load, that’s why.
And they wonder why we’re always tired . . .
You are trying to make a joke out of it, but if the men in prison had went to get their nails done, INSTEAD of robbing that store, there wouldnt have been a crime committed, innocent people would not have been hurt, and they wouldnt be in prison.
Nobody is in prison, and no one got hurt, because women were getting their nails done instead of being out on the street gettng into trouble.
Anyone can see that feminine activities dont physically hurt other people(nobody can get hurt while a woman is at a nail salon) , but lots of men trying to act/drive/drink “macho” can result in other people getting hurt accidently or on purpose.
How one spends his or her time, and on what thoughts, has a lot to do with what things happen in the outcome and what kind of person you end up being.
Ok, if you dont want men getting their nails done, then how about them doing something else with their spare time instead of doing crime, planning crime, or indulging in whatever deviation they are wasting their time with?
… - like going to college or some other self improvement activity that hurts no one else, is not illegal(like gambling) and endangers no one else.
I have an alternative theory: Men commit crimes out of sexual frustration because they don’t get laid often enough. If women were more like men and wanted to fuck anyone and everyone at all hours of day or night, then men would be so exhausted that the would have no interest in robbing the corner store. So, the solution is that each woman should take it upon herself to please several men daily. Starting now.
Interesting. Of course, if men initiated 2/3 of the divorces, no doubt we would hear all sorts of arguments about how this proved that men had too much power, were selfish, shallow, and reneged on their supposedly permanent commitments, &c. I guess you just have to pick your conclusions and then decide how to interpret the facts.
While it’s trivially true that any given violent crime would not have happened had the perp been getting a manicure at that precise instant, I’m astonished that even Susanann thinks this adds up to a rational argument of any sort.
The really alarming thing is that this woman runs around with a gun.
Susanann saying that the differences between men and women is not just biological is very true. There is variation between cultures which I neglected to address. However it may be advantageous to look at these cultural variations as adaptatations of the individual to the culture (the idea being genes allow some flexibility and code for very flexible mental modules that allows us to guess what the best behavior for an environment is). We must remember that if culture is teaching us to behave a certain way that doesn’t explicity put the behavior beyond the control of biology. What is culture?
Culture is inherently based on biological organisims interacting with the environment. Many of the more variable and new environments will have little effect on the actual genetic coding of the organism, however this doesn’t mean evolution is not guiding the process.
The actual culture is undergoing natural selection although the units of the culture are in some ways harder for us to distinguish than genes.
So, yes the culture does reinforce male and female behaviors, but this doesn’t explain the real reason for the behaviors. We then have to explain why culture does this.
Reader99’s assertion that women have it easier in finding jobs seems strange to me. I would think in this respect men and women would be near equal in our society and perhaps men would have it easier. Men can do many of the jobs reader mentioned, and I wonder how much of the gender differences in these jobs is due to men not applying and how much is due to prejudical hiring. No stats to back this up by the way.
I am sticking with the idea that men’s reproduction is inherently more uncertain than women causing men to behave adaptivley in exhibiting more risky behaviors. The counter arguments have not convinced me althoug I am waiting for it.
Welcome to the SDMB, oh “fragile as a newborn fawn Kira” (altho I have my doubts as to the “fragile” part- 
as this is an excellent first post.). Nope- you’re right dudette. Reported instances of “husband beating” are low- and I was using a recently read recport which estimated those numbers as being “almost as high”. But I’ll agree such crimes are reported less. However, “wife beating” was much more rarely reported on the crime blotters pre-60’s, and I think the writer of the article I read took those numbers into account- as i think we can all agree that if anything “wife beating” was at least as prevelant some decades ago. Thanks for your post, and I agree the stats AS REPORTED are on your side- but still they show “husband beating” is certainly a significant crime. Note I do agree that husbands are injured less than wives in such crimes. Also, your cite on “husband killers” is interesting and is useful in this thread.
Susanann- I hope your post was made as some sort of joke.:dubious: Ya sure, the low income criminal COULD “have his nails done” instead of sticking up that liquor store or selling those drugs. But then- who is gonna pay for his woman sitting around and getting HER nails done- let alone the rent & groceries? Most crime is done “to get the money”, and males have to “get the money” in our society. This IS a joke, right?
True, this is changing- and so are the crime rates.
Sailor- “ha”.:rolleyes: This thread is a bit too serious for jokes like that. At least I know you are joking.
Thanks very much for the welcome, furt and DrDeth!
Reading Suzannan’s posts I feel like I’m listening to a white supremecist explaining why blacks are “naturally” predisposed to crime. :rolleyes: I know I probably don’t need to but I feel obliged to assure y’all that not all of us feminists agree with the repugnant anti-male stereotypes evident in some of those messages.
DrDeth, I hear ya regading the under-reporting of these crimes. In one of the many articles on the subject I read last night, the author estimated that the percentage of acquittals for men who claim self-defense against murder charges for killing their spouse/intimate are about 2%, whereas with women it’s about 14 - 20%. My guess is that juries still find it hard to believe that a man can be the victim of abuse. Incredible.
My WAG for why men commit most of the crime? It’s a canard but I’ll repeat it anyway – boys are generally encouraged to be aggressive, competitive, less emotionally open. The stereotype that girls = gentle, boys = wild/rough is still perpetuated by parents, starting with the kind of toys they get for their children.
Of course, it’s not just cultural expectations – evolutionally speaking, men are on average physically stronger, and have long been the “hunter/gatherers” while women’s bodies were equipped to encourage the propagation/nurturing of babies.
What’s the result of all this conditioning? Some men grow up to be angrier ('cause most emotions are often discouraged in boys except anger), more acquisitive (they’re supposed to earn the big bucks and are encouraged to be ‘go-getters’), treat women as objects (‘cause they’re weaker) and other men as rivals (competition for those big bucks and mates). All this stuff can add up to a heap o’ trouble, especially when combined with poverty, stress, unstable family lives, etc.
Put it together and what have you got? Bibbidy bobbity criminals.
Thousands of years of such physical and mental conditioning surely aren’t going to be easily thrown off after only a couple of decades of more enlightened child-rearing where girls get to play sports and boys can create art & show their feelings.
/end WAG. 
Hey, look on the “bright” side – the incidence of female criminals is rising. Gosh, that’s a step up from all those manicures and facials, ain’t it? :rolleyes:
Its simple - men have more testosterone. This fuels aggression, ambition, and competitiveness. Directed towards productive ends and its a wonderful chemical; misused and it creates violence and irrationality.
Violent prisoners typically have much higher testosterone levels than peaceful men.
You could say society nurtures men towards a life of violence by condoning and desiring certain behaviors, but I believe that society merely reflects innate biological truths.
I think the contrast of fist fights to nail salons shows how negative competitive behaviors are often called “crimes” when it’s a masculine behavior.
Some people may object to a $150 nail painting being called a negative competitive behavior because it “hurts” no one. I disagree, it’s wrong to waste big money and time on decorations meant to impress other women. However, I don’t think it will ever be a crime since it seems the rules of moral behavior are set by women.
Two men fighting outside a bar WILL go to jail, though, even if neither wants to press charges. Their disorderly conduct IS a disturbance to the people around them, but so is driving a big SUV to the mall to buy a strong perfume. Throw them ALL in jail if you ask me!!! 
-k
Absolutely agreed about the testosterone, Headcoat. I should’ve taken that into account re: the typical behaviors of boys vs. girls.
Kempis writes:
Hmm. Well, I could be getting whooshed here, but I’m gonna play it as if it’s serious…
Isn’t this comparing apples and oranges? In your first sentence you say that manicuring “‘hurts’ no one.” Then you follow it up with “I disagree, it’s wrong to waste big money and time…”
First, does immoral (a relative judgment) equal illegal? We all have our own moral compasses, but generally it’s not up to individuals to write the law based on their own personal rulebooks. Hell, I may think it’s immoral to vote Republican, but that doesn’t mean I think it should be illegal!
Second, even granting the dubious equation of immoral = illegal, I truly can’t see how anyone could “morally” equate manicures* – admittedly shallow indulgences but with no real negative side effects – with fist fights (sounds like we’re talking about the Wild West here!) that could cause grievous bodily injury.
Besides which, I really don’t think that “fist fights” are the crimes to which the OP was referring. I suspect it was more along the lines of robbery/burglary, assault, murder, arson… Not two good ol’ boys getting drunk and tossing some sloppily-aimed punches at one another.
Okay, I can restrain myself no longer: Cite? (Woohoo! My first SDMB ‘cite’ request!!! Champagne all 'round, on me!)
Anyway, I really don’t think it’s true that women set the rules of moral behavior, such as they are. These common ‘rules’, ignoring the many differences in moral codes throughout different civilizations, usually stem either from religious roots, such as the Bible, or more secular guidelines such as the Code of Hammurabi (which I think predates the Bible, having been written c. 2100 BC). Now, granting the literal truth of the Bible, we can thank Moses – a man – for relating the Ten Commandments. And Hammurabi was a Babylonian king, not a queen.
I guess I’m just astonished to discover that we women have been in charge of morality and laws all these years. Geeze, what the heck were we thinking when we made it illegal for ourselves to vote and serve on juries for so long? Must’ve been the fumes from all those $150 manicures.*
Okay, now seriously … can we back away from the whole manicure meme? It was ridiculous enough when first mentioned, and now it’s taking on a life of its own!
- BTW, where did this $150 figure come from? Here in midtown NYC, the overcharging capital of the U.S., I get my nails done for about $8 - $15. Dude, if you’re paying $150 for your manicures, you’re getting seriously ripped off!
I wrote:
… Yipe! I need to clarify that I was granting this for the sake of argument only. Personally I don’t consider the Bible literal truth.
(Sorry for the OT, but since I don’t have any posting history for people to know where I’m coming from, I figured it was important to make my stance clear.)
I have to agree when you say that more men want pornography than women. Mr2001 covered that one very handily and it certainly seems true in my own experience. The “sexual deviations” part seems a bit off though. Assuming the men involved aren’t gay, who are their partners in these deviant acts? Are the women being coerced in some way? What exactly are these “deviations,” anyway? I suspect that you and I have very different definitions of deviant behaviour.
As far as men “improving themselves,” what does that mean? Improve themselves at what? Sorry, but I don’t really understand your post.
Regards
Testy