This is gonna be good! 
I call bullshit on this one. upndownon1, please enlighten.
What was your default mode?
Talk about making an ass of oneself… welcome to the SMDB ! :rolleyes:
As for my nipples I don’t feel much when they are stimulated… I haven’t heard of many men saying they like getting their nipples sucked… but I don’t understand where your creationist logic comes into this topic.
Feel free to try putting your explanations in a coherent and respectful manner so that we might enjoy more educationally the bashing.
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You’re credibility is for shit.
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Your credibility is for shit.
The problem with not “believing” in evolution, and calling it a “religion,” is that this is only true for people who approach it as a religion in the first place; who assume that it’s something that’s merely accepted on faith. In other words, your paradigm for believing in your religion is simply not applicable to understanding evolution, so rejecting it on that basest the strawiest of strawmen.
No one expects you to accept evolution on faith. Its principles are actually learnable. If you take the time and effort, you can actually accumulate all the factual knowledge required to expose the “arguments” against evolution as false and nonsensical.
If you, upndownon1, were to present your understanding of the “case against religion” once item and a time, and listen critically to the responses, you might actually reach a greater understanding of the discussion.
Instead, your “criticisms,” as presented, are a nebulous fabric of ignorance and false assumptions. Your position, which is basically “I know the absolute truth and I have utter faith in my beliefs and nothing you can ever say will make me change my mind and any attempts to explain will be viewed as attacks on my belief system,” is hardly an inviting basis for discussion on the matter.
Your quickness to plunge into defensive vitriol in the face of simply being taken seriously and engaged in debate suggest, however, that you’re not all that interested in discussion. You’re the attacker here, upndownon1.
This board is a great place for learning AND educating; each of us can have an effect on one another’s understanding and outlook. I hope you don’t end up sacrificing that opportunity for the sake of a one-note driveby.
“on that basest”? Sheesh, all my brain are belong to mush. “once item and a time”?
Read: “on that basis”; “one item at a time”
upndownon1, you misunderstand the point of my statements.
It is not possible to debate beliefs. One can explain why one has a specific belief, but a belief is by definition not debateable because it consists of the acceptance of a thing as true in the absence of evidence proving it to be true. Since a debate is the discussion of evidence and rationale underpinning a statement asserted as fact, it fails in application to belief.
Should you and I debate male errogenous nipple purpose, it would go about like this:
“Male errogenous nipples have a specific purpose.”
“Evolution appears to deny that possibility.”
“I don’t believe that nipples evolved; I believe that they were created and with the purpose I believe them to have.”
“I disagree; I believe man evolved from other life forms.”
You see where this leads? I cannot attack your belief because it isn’t based upon application of rational thought to a set of underlying evidence. If I shared your belief, we could then argue about the conclusion you reach based upon our shared assumptions. But since we don’t share a common starting point, there is no purpose in further debate.
Now as to your ranting after the fact, please note that I didn’t bring up the idea of religion, either. You were the one who dismissed the arguments based on evolution, asserting instead a creationist viewpoint. You may, if you wish, hold such a viewpoint; I believe you to be wrong, but I don’t hold that against you, as I could be wrong in my belief, too. But nothing about your less-than-reasonable attack upon the posters here once the issue was raised does anything to persuade those reading what you say to review it with a friendly eye. :rolleyes:
Wow. Some of you folks are sure presenting a hostile face to the new guy. Yeah, he kinda started it, but he’s been admonished for it and hasn’t repeated it. Given that and his newbie status, I think y’all might cut him a little slack.
I must ask, are you circumcised yourself? Because if the foreskin is supposed to be the most sexually sensitive part of a man’s body, mine must be broken.
I’d say it’s more like having a little tiny itch on your arm, and a huge, all-encompassing, unignorable itch on your leg, and spending your efforts where it’ll do the most good. I don’t know about yours, but my nipples just aren’t that great. There’s a fine line between so little stimulation I can’t even notice it, and so much stimulation I can’t stand it, and even when my partner can find the perfect amount, it’s still just okay. The only thing that makes nipple stimulation interesting, IME, is its novelty.
I’m curious about this particular turn of phrase; why do you specify grandchildren, rather than just children? Is it to circumvent confusion regarding infertile hybrids?
I’ll pick that up and say: not really. It’s more like, if you adopt a strategy that produces lots of children, but doesn’t see them through to breeding age, your genes die out just as effectively as if you’d never bred in the first place. Whereas if you have fewer offspring, but they live to reproduce, then chances are their own offspring will do likewise, and you can go happy to your grave. A brief and no doubt overly simplistic summation, but you see what I mean.
Precisely. You can have a trait that doesn’t affect the ability to have children, but does affect the ability of those children to have children. Such a trait is at a competitive disadvantage. Once you have grandchildren, though, you are off the hook, because it means your children will have THEIR own grandchildren (gen 4), etc.
Thanks; I suspected it would be something like that, but it’s good to have the full explanation.
Regardless of their origin in evolution or creation, there’s no such thing as “male” nipples with inborn characteristics distinct from “female” nipples. All human nipples have the potential to develop into breasts, regardless of whether the owner is male or female. The reason they almost always remain dormant in males is because even a small amount of circulating Testosterone will suppress their development. In the absence of Testosterone, Estrogen will stimulate the development of breast tissue.
As the breasts develop, the nipples increase in size, though the distribution of nerve endings remains the same. All nipples have the ability to become erect when stimulated, but fully developed nipples can become engorged to a much greater degree than dormant nipples. This is probably the main reason why more women respond to nipple stimulation than men.
As I happen to be an MTF transsexual, I can describe the difference from personal experience. When I was a male with dormant nipples, they were sexually sensitive, but the sensation was focused in a flat tiny spot, like a pinch. Since my breasts have grown to full size (without implants), the sensitivity spreads across a much wider area, and extends down within the breast tissue as well. In my case, bigger definitely turned out to be better.
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Gosh, such an influence this minority has on this planet!
I know he/she/it is gone but on the slight chance of a return…
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I would never wish this on you and I have no god. Your’s sucks. :o
Riiight. So many wars, over the history of mankind, have been started by evolutionists, and scientists. Religious zealots are in the clear on that count.
I said nothing about Evolution in my first post. It was others here who twisted it with Evolution. I merely responded to their stupidity. Honestly, I could give a rats behind what you or anyone else here thinks of me or my credibility, but I have to admit that I get a kick out of reading your bafoonery. I laugh my ass off at folks like you guys because you really believe the crap you say and think anyone who disagrees with your foolishness is an idiot. But hey, you’ve got your rights to your opinion, and since it doesn’t effect my paycheck you’re more than welcome to knock yourselves out with whatever new whacked out “scientific theory” you can concoct.
AND LISSENER,
I’m sorry but I’m not going to respond to that bull you’ve freshly crapped out. But I will say don’t ever attribute a quote to me that I didn’t say; even forgetting that it’s slanderous, it shows what a fool you are for picking a fight over something I didn’t say.
The rest of you can play your word games with yourselves because I’m not interested. But who knows, maybe I will start believing in Evolution, because I have no problem believing that you people came from monkeys. 'Nuff said. I’ll leave you all here to squabble and gossip like the bunch of old bloodthirsty harpies you are, and then I’ll come back later to see what new ways you managered to twist THIS post.
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But according to your assertion wouldn’t they have to be erogenous zones in all men? The answer is yes, you’re an amateur man.
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Nobody said anything about your first post. But you did bring it up first in this thread. What a sorry example your god has in you.
Ya know, you say you’re laughing. But I can really feel you stewing. You’re twitching with frustration, your knees bobbing upndown, you’re sweating, teeth clenched, you just wanna put your fist through the wall… 