why do old people become bewhildered in the face of advancing technology?

Technology constantly advances, but at a relatively glacial pace. Why is it, then, that old people - generally meaning people over 65 - seem to be so out of touch with technology?

My 87-year-old grandfather has always been technologically brilliant - he’s build and modified electronics for most of his life. He knows how to set up a DVD player with his TV, and can use the internet within reason.

But he can’t seem to comprehend how to use an ATM. I mean, he just doens’t seem to have a frame of reference for it - he tries to put in his driver’s license, regular credit card - once he gets his atm card in, he gets even more confused.

Why? I’ve seen so many technological hurdles for the elderly - usually things like ATMs, using the internet (there seems to be a real gap there - just no frame of reference), or cell phones. These things just didn’t pop out of thin air - they evolved from existing, familiar technology over decades. Why do the elderly in particular seem to “fall off” of the curve?

At first (from reading the original question) I was going to say that things just change so much from when they are born to the present that I think at a certain point they just can’t take any more.

But what you describe doesn’t really make sense. If he can use the internet and stuff but can’t figure out the ATM machine, that is weird. I can’t figure that out.

I remember when my grandparents visited us way back when (in the 60’s) and we had a pushbutton phone my grandfather was just fascinated with it. We got a hoot out of that.

One thing I thought of; old people are notoriously “set in their ways.” While they may recieve an ATM card (just keeping with the example), they’ll probably still go inside, fill out a deposit slip, and use the teller, because that’s how they’ve done it for 50 years. So when they run into the situation where they have to use their ATM card, they’re not prepared to.

First of all, technology is not advancing at a “relatively glacial pace.” I really don’t know how anyone can say that.

But anyway . . . I’m 59, and I think I’m sort of in-between on this issue, and I think we eventually reach a point at which we no longer need more advanced technology, on a personal level - until a really major breakthrough comes along.

I’ve worked on computers since the 60s, and my current computer (G4 Mac) does everything I want it to, and many things I don’t need. I’ll upgrade only when this one starts seriously breaking down. Untill then, I don’t feel that I’m missing anything.

I have a stereo (2 speakers + subwoofer) on which I play CDs and some old LPs. I could be happy playing these (and new ones) for the rest of my life; I have no use for “home theatre” or MP3s or iPods or anything else that might come along.

DVDs are great, and I probably won’t upgrade to whatever comes next. Unless it’s a really huge leap, like maybe holography.

I have a cell phone, but I don’t need one that takes pictures, sends email or plays movies. What’s the point?

I remember when “home entertainment” was a record player, a radio, and a black-and-white tv with rabbit ears. We’ve come a long way, and life can certainly be more enjoyable because of all the changes. But at a certain level of development, “improvements” don’t justify the expense of buying new hardware, etc.

And I’ve also noticed that sometimes a sufficiently-advanced technology runs the risk of overwhelming or obscuring the content.

By the way, my 91-year-old mother has no trouble with her cordless phone, cable tv, vcr, cd player and dvd player.

But she won’t use an atm, and can’t understand how to reset a digital clock.

Go figure.

I meant glacial in respect to human understanding - in other words, it doesn’t sneak up on you. You don’t go to sleep tonight and wake up in a world of nanotechnology and holographic home entertainment. There’s enough time for any given person to “keep up” with technology advancements.
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In reality, you actually do wake up into a different world.

I have a television in my bedroom that’s still working, against all odds. It has a dial tuner for VHF, a dial tuner for UHF, a rotary switch for on/off and volume and some dials for brightness, contrast and tint. Let’s say it’s the only TV I’ve ever had.

Tomorrow it breaks and I decide to get a new one. No dials – it has something called a remote, covered in push buttons. The first thing I have to do is “program” it. Then I “enter” the channel number, no the two-digit channel number, using the remote. Ooops, I forgot to push the button that says “enter.” Now, I want to turn up the volume, so I press one of the buttons with an arrow on it. Why did the channel change?

You get the idea.

I think it just depends on the person. My 76 year old grandma takes to new technology like a duck to water. She’s got her TV programmed, has a relatively new computer that does everything she wants it to (e-mail, stocktrading, online card games), and picks up new stuff when it’s shown to her really quickly.

On the other hand, grandpa was mystified by anything that came out after about '95 until the day he died. I remember him walking past me playing Starcraft and stopping in amazement when I clicked on a unit; “It TALKS to you?!”

Where I work, a lot of the 20 something folks do not have an ATM and haven’t a clue how to use one. A lot of them are minorities and they seem to have some kind of psychological barrier to ATMs. Haven’t quite figured out why, but that is my experience.

But aside from that, it depends on your level of interest. I have always had a thing for gadgets, so I am the guy people call when they get something new and haven’t a clue. Even if I don’t know, I enjoy figuring out how it works. I can even set the time and date and alarm on those cheap $2.00 plastic watches (and that is no easy trick).

But for instance iPod. I am simply not interested in them - not a big music listener. So when the next generation of iPods come out, I will be one step further from that technology. However, I am probably going to get a new HD DVD burner in the next few weeks and am already trying to figure out if I want -R or +R system.

I am sure there are car mechanics who laugh at us lowly mortals for paying someone to change their oil…and cooks who cannot comprehend some idiot buying Prego sauce for pasta.

But specifically with ATM’s, I wouldn’t be surprised if the fact that it has to do with money might be a reason older people prefer to speak to a teller and see everything in black and white. Nothing wrong with that. I personally prefer to do all my banking on the internet, but I know a lot of people younger than I am who still find that idea “iffy”.

When my MIL broke her hip while staying with us, my FIL opened an account out here, and got his first ATM card. He couldn’t handle it either. (He’s 88). He just didn’t get the concept, and he was too slow for the machine, which started beeping when he didn’t enter his password. I think one problem was that he has been banking at his home for 50 years, knows everyone, and has never felt the need to get one there. He’s not bad technologically - I taught him to program when he was over 60, and he uses his computer all the time to compose music. For some reason ATMs throw him.

BTW, I agree with Kunilou that you do wake up to new technology. When our 18 year old microwave/oven combination finally bit the dust, we got a new one, and I never knew that microwaves can automatically figure out how long to cook popcorn. I suspect there is a bunch of other stuff that it can do that I’ll never use, since I’m too used to setting the time. Computers I read trade journals on, but things you don’t keep up on can surprise you.

I have a 63-year old friend who just wants to slug his computer at almost every turn.

My theory is that technology is fundamentally different from the things that many people grew up with. Organic things have a built-in error margin. You can plow the field slightly crooked and not much happens. You can forget to feed the horse one night and it won’t die. You can pound metal and wood into shape with a hammer just while looking at it.

Computers and the like simply won’t tolerate “intuitive” operation. You do it their way or no way at all, and some people not only didn’t grow up with this kind of thing, but hate the very idea.

As for having very specific things that an older person can’t handle, I suspect that it’s just a matter of timing. Has this person simply reached a point where he can’t learn this kind of thing any more? Will he soon start slipping on the technology skills he has?

Part of the problem is that as gadgets become more commonplace, the manufacturers throw in all these extra “features” to distinguish them from their competitors. While it makes for nice marketing points, these features also invariably end up (a) confusing the user and (b) not being used as a result. Microwaves, VCR players, and television sets are good examples of these – I don’t know anyone who uses a microwave much beyond the usual “put it in, punch in the time, and let it cook” functionality, but every microwave oven now comes with temperature probes, “instant meal” cooking options, countdown timers, etc.

I’m perfectly comfortable with gadgets, but for my sanity, when I get a new machine, I make it a point not to learn how to use the features I never need anyway. It’s very rare to find a gadget that offers a lot of functionality and features without cluttering up the interface to do so – the only recent example that comes to mind is the iPod.

Stealth bombers can!
Just kidding.

Hmm. My hypothesis-slash-WAG on the ATM issue is that it’s less to do with actual inability to figure out how to use them, and more to do with fear of inability to do so.

It’s a problem I often encounter when teaching technophobes to use computers. They don’t understand that (on Windows, at least) it’s pretty damned hard to accidentally do something catastrophic. They’re afraid to take any action unless I tell them precisely what icons to click and what keys to press, because otherwise “I might delete my hard drive” or somesuch. In extreme examples, I’ve had it take hours before the person was willing to freely explore under the File menu when I give them the simple command “Save this document”.

Now imagine you’re standing at an ATM for the first time. You’ve never encountered one of these things before, but you know a few things for certain. You know that it allows you to directly manipulate your bank account, and to modify your finances and make withdrawls and deposits as you see fit. Essentially, it gives you all the powers of a bank teller as regards your account. You know these things, and you also know that you have no Earthly idea how to use it. For all you know, one wrong button press, and you’ve just sent $300 to a hole in Siberia, closed the remainder of your account, and told the bank to keep the change. Yeah, I can see being a bit timid at this proposition.

Just as a first-time computer user may take a week to open a Word document with any degree of confidence, so might an elderly person take an appreciable amount of time to feel secure making a simple deposit at an ATM. There is, however, one key difference: there’s no such thing as a Computer Teller. If you need to use a computer, you need to learn how to use a computer. There’s no practical way around it. If you need to make a deposit…well, there are these wonderful people that the bank employs specifically to help customers such as yourself do these things with no intervention on your part, that know exactly what menus to open and what buttons to press, and whom you trust to do things right because they’re trained and they’ve been doing it for years. Why, given this, would you ever bother to learn how to do it yourself in the first place? Sure, all those youngsters say it’s nearly impossible to mess up…but why take the risk? You just go inside like you’ve always done, give the teller the money and the piece of paper, and mission accomplished.

Of course, I’m 20, so what the hell do I know about how old people think? It’s an idea, though.

Actually, I can understand older folks having trouble with ATMs. They are one of the more user UN-friendly devices out there. If you take too long at a computer, it patiently waits for you. If you take too long at an ATM, it will swallow your card, and it’s a pain in the butt to get another one. I know it’s supposed to be for security purposes, but the time limits are unreasonable, between 30 and 60 seconds.

Yeah, I hate to get behind people who don’t know how to use them, but I can understand their frustration also. I once had a machine eat the money it was dispensing because I took too long to retrieve it – I was keeping an eye on some rough-looking characters who were hanging out nearby, and the machine took the money back after about 30 seconds. I had to call the bank the next day and tell them what happened. It took me two days to get the money back.

Dude - you nailed it.

And just regarding the banking part of this thread, I won’t be suprised if some of you reading this now will be telling young folks, 50 years from now, about how you used to be able to go into a bank and talk to a person.

Sir, you are a sage. I’m mildly Luddite, and happy that way - sure, I could back up all my CD’s on my hard drive and buy an MP3 player, but financial considerations aside, what’s the point? My Walkman is virtually bullet-proof, and until it self-destructs I’m quite happy playing my old tapes: if it ain’t broke, why fix it?

Cellphones are a particular bug-bear: I don’t WANT to be contacted all the time. Call my home number, and leave a message. Photo-messaging? Video-streaming? Once the novelty of sending people pictures of my butt has worn off, I’m left with an expensive toy.

Same goes for computers: I figured out my minimum requirements, and bought accordingly - don’t use it for gaming, so I don’t need a fast processor or flashy graphics cards. CD writer? OK, I’ll take one of those so I can back up my old vinyl.
DVD player/writer? Got a player, don’t need another. What’s the cheapest you can sell me? {I think I horrified the shop assistant: yes, I know the parameters of this system, I just don’t want it.}

Love DVD’s, though - a big advance on videos, and available cheaply. TV? Big enough to watch movies on, other than that I don’t watch much TV: stupidity may be contagious, and I need my evenings to do the crossword and read.

Maybe I am just a Luddite {I still use a fountain pen, especially for the crosswords}, but without wanting to come over too Zen, if you buy too much stuff, you don’t own it; it owns you.

Or maybe they just don’t see the point to it for so long it’s startling when it becomes a neccessity to do so. I’m not too much older than you, and I’m fairly technosavvy - but I don’t know how to use a cell phone (at least independently, I’ve used one with help a couple of times), and I’ve never gone to one of those self-checkout things at a store. I’m not afraid of either, I just don’t like them in theory; the cellphone puts you at the beck and call of others way too often and I’d prefer to deal with a cashier than a machine. I’ll be avoiding them until I absolutely have to use them. If someone has the same attitude about these things as I do and is now 50, in 20 years when these things become inescapable, they’re going to be the elderly people who are confused about them and I’ll be the middle-aged person bribing a kid to show me how to do it :stuck_out_tongue:

Given that we have two examples of elderly gentlemen who appear to be technically competent in several areas such as computers, but who are stymied by ATMs, I would tend to look at the ATM design before I made any generalizations about age.

I would also tend to agree that ATMs are among the least intuitively obvious devices that have been thrust before the public. I can whip through the ATMs for my bank or my wife’s bank sufficiently fast that I find myself yelling at the stupid machine to keep up with me. When traveling, I have been known to have an unfamiliar ATM beep at me for the “more time” option as I tried to decipher why the commands were written in Hebrew, using Hindu characters.

(My first response to the OP was that that gentleman was, perhaps, suffering from an actual disability. (Driver’s license for bank card? We’ve had credit cards for 40 years.) On the other hand, with the second anecdote of a similar nature, I would have to wonder whether there was a specific cognitive issue with ATM design for very old people or whether it was just an amazing coincidence.

While old people are more reluctant to embrace change, someone who can handle a computer (even if it is nothing more than Word/WordPerfect and e-mail) is hardly suffering from an inability to handle technology.
And. . .
As the SIL of a blacksmith who continued to farm with horses and 60-year-old tractors as a hobby, I wonder how many young posters, here, could climb onto an Oliver and get it running or tack up a two-horse hitch after one or two verbal instructions?

I used to be of a similar mindset. Then I discovered something about cell phones: You can turn them off, you can leave them at home, or you can mute the ringer; and if you’re curious if someone called, you can check your voice mail.

Not saying you should go out and get one; but having a land line is really inconvenient for me.

Also: crossword puzzles with a fountain pen? You must be a crossword master.

Thus endeth the hijack.