Why do people from Ethiopia/Eritrea look different to those from neighboring SubSaharan countries?

I live next to a relatively large Ethiopian and Eritrean migrant community and as someone whove had many African friends throughout my life, I realise most Ethiopians and Eritreans i met looked “different”. Im just wondering why this is so? Im not discounting African diversity but it seems strange that Ethiopians seem to look so radically different when compared to their East African neighbors such as Kenya and Tanzania. Ive always thought there should be regional commonalities when it came to phenotype. For example most west Africans such as Nigerians and Ghanaians look similar. My friend told me Ethiopia has never been colonised by a foreign power.

Kenya and Ethiopia share a border

Kenyan Lupita Nyongo

Kenyan president

kenyan model

Ethiopian/Eritrean people

You may want to examine your assumptions about distances and terrain. It looks to me like it’s quite similar to Northern v. Southern Europe when it comes to both those factors.

We kinda did this (fairly) recently.

Why do Somalians Look So Distinctive?

Ultimate conclusion - yeah, there’s a North East African “look” … like there’s a Scandinavian “look” and a Mediterranean “look” and …

I don’t think they’re even comparable. Whilst the North-South divide has more to do with minor skin tone differences, with Ethiopians, it’s like they’re facial features are alien to the rest of subsaharan Africa/East Africa.
There were times I mistaken an Ethiopian workmate for an indian

The point is these differences have arisen and been maintained despite geographical closeness. What kind of explanation are you looking for exactly, and did you read that other thread?

In particular, Ramira’s cite from fairly early in:

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Genetic studies have identified substantial non-African admixture in the Horn of Africa (HOA). In the most recent genomic studies, this non-African ancestry has been attributed to admixture with Middle Eastern populations during the last few thousand years … To investigate this further, we generated new genome-wide SNP data for a Yemeni population sample and merged these new data with published genome-wide genetic data from the HOA and a broad selection of surrounding populations … After partitioning the SNP data into African and non-African origin chromosome segments, we found support for a distinct African (Ethiopic) ancestry and a distinct non-African (Ethio-Somali) ancestry in HOA populations … The non-African ancestry in the HOA, which is primarily attributed to a novel Ethio-Somali inferred ancestry component, is significantly differentiated from all neighboring non-African ancestries in North Africa, the Levant, and Arabia.

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So basically, science says ‘yes, there are observable genetic differences in that general area (Horn of Africa, not restricted to one specific country), attributable to some population East of there, and outside Africa, not sure where.’

Social and geographical features all play a part.

Egypt, for example, has millennia of dominating (attempting to dominate) the Nubians to the south, who are Ethiopian in appearance; yet there has been a distinctive visible difference between Egyptians and Nubians and Egyptians and Arabs. Similarly, Hitler and his ilk played up the distinction between that German (“Aryan”) master race and the Slavs next door who were of course, designed to be the drudgework salves of the master race (among other bizarre notions). The pygmies of central Africa have remained distinct from surrounding normal-sized people.

Just because ethnic groups are next door to each other, does not mean they will blend. The Ethiopians, Somalis, and Sudanese, I assume, are a different off-shoot of early humans just like the bushmen and pygmies. One item I read (Jared Diamond?) discussing early human migration said there was a much larger genetic diversity across the continent of Africa than between all the groups which migrated out of Africa.

Also keep in mind geography and climate. An ethnic/racial type usually has a lifestyle - the people who have a way of life adapted for the fertile plains of Kenya are less likely to be able to move into and adapt to the relative desert conditions of the northwest Horn of Africa - certainly not successfully enough to displace the people already living there.

Why would you assume that? Did you read the post immediately before yours?

Plus, “offshoot of early humans” is, scientifically, a terrible way to describe the other groups you mention. “Early humans” is a term that often means the earliest forms of the genus Homo. But even if you were talking about H. sapiens, one would not describe those lineages as originating in the “early” part of our species, which is 200K years old.

You do realise Ethiopia/Eritrea has been called the roof of Africa because 70 percent of Africa’s mountain ranges are found in Ethiopia. But they also have deserts and I notice those who come from the highlands are a lot lighter than those who come from the low land desserts.

Afar…these people live in the lowland desert

Tigray people, they are a highlander group. They are a lot more lighter

It’s not the Ethiopians who are out of place, it’s the Kenyans. One theory is that the darker-skinned, Bantu-speaking groups who now live across Sub-Saharan Africa originated in West Africa, around Cameroon. After agriculture was developed in that area, the population exploded and they began spreading across the continent.

Um that third link is a picture of Kofi Annan. And Ethiopia is a country roughly twice the size of Texas with over 90 million people in it (God knows how many ethnic groups/languages). Of course you will find groups of people who both resemble Kenyans and don’t resemble Kenyans (Kenya being slightly smaller then Texas with ~45 million people).

If you do the search you will quickly find that Northern Kenyans look remarkable similar to Southern Ethiopians, and that Northern Ethiopians look similar to Eritreans, who in turn look similar to East Sudanese, who look similar to Southern Egyptians, etc…

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Oh and the main reason as to why people from Ethiopia/Eritrea/Somalia look different to those from other SubSaharan countries could be that SubSaharans aren’t identical (not in culture, nor language, nor history, nor ethnicity).

I make this mistake all the time, but Africa is not a country. It’s really due to a legacy of our own western history that we always refer to Africa as “Africa.” It’s simply easier for us (westerners) to group everyone from the “black areas” of Africa as one people/group/etc when, in reality, that is the furthest from the case.

Really the only thing that Africans all share is the recent history of being carved up and colonized by their European neighbours to the north (who kinda liked doing this 'round the globe)

As mentioned in the Somali thread, there are dozens of distinct African “looks” that people familiar with those populations can easily recognize. If you lived in an area with a lot of South Sudanese, you’d probably be able to easily say “Oh, Bob is the Dinka-looking guy over there.”

There are plenty of lighter skinned and fine featured Africans out there, there just don’t happen to be large Mbororo (or whatever) communities like there are Ethiopian in the US.

Interesting. I was doing a little research when I found found out that Ethiopian with those narrow features practiced featured based slavery and discriminated against Africans with those broader features. Never knew these sorts of things happened in Africa

There was slavery in Western Europe into the 19th century (usually as in that case, but not always, slaves brought back from colonies when their masters returned home); while this page looks very new-agey (actually they’re zoroastrians), their article on the barbary slaves and references provided may be of interest. European-on-European slavery in Western Europe was still taking place in the 16th century (see that same article on the barbary slaves).

Absolutely wrong. The Roman Empire was multi-ethnic and included Africans, Asians and other Euros. Spain also was occupied by Moors for about 600 years as well as being another part of the Roman Empire. So the genetic pool in southern Europe is very diverse.

Commerce and war. Big influx of Greek, Turk, Persian blood from ~200-1000 C.E. C.F. Himyarite Kingdom. I’m pretty sure that the Orthodox/Coptic evangelism (such as it was) also played a part. In other words, those nations had lucrative trade at that time and exchanged African/Caucasian DNA as well as spice, saints, slaves, and fabric.

Omg all these PC non-sense from people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Simple aanswer is, they are different. Somalis and Ethiopians are highland Africans, they are Afroasiatic, suggesting a different origin from Bantu-speakers.

Doing more research today. This only covers Ethiopians. I wouldnt know much about Somalis