That’s because in 1960 the Dems were in favor of a mild sort of progress but not too fast and the Repubs were in favor of a mild sort of stasis but not too frozen. Remember that? Republicans were the BORING party. They can congratulate themselves that they are no longer boring, they’re terrifying.
You keep saying this, and quite frankly, it’s bullshit. At least in my own experience. I know plenty of conservatives that are cool people. I also know plenty of fellow liberals I can’t stand. People aren’t as black or white as you seem to think. Are SOME conservatives bad people? Well, of course. But so are some liberals.
Do me a favor: quit claiming to speak for liberals, okay?
Except that I’m not a conservative. I’m a dyed in the wool Democrat who is no longer able to stomach the way the left presents in this country. It’s very much like “well it worked when Gingrich did it…”
The election was a reliable and accurate measure of support for Trump AT THAT TIME. Because it was, quite literally, a poll. And unlike most polls it’s a poll that required a certain amount of personal commitment, so I’m inclined to offer it a bit of weight over other polls, to the point that I’d actually be amenable to a methodology of assessing polls that scaled their approval rating to match the election.
So, based on some quickly googled poll data, Trump’s approval rating has dropped around 13% since the election. So it would be reasonable to assume that if we redid the election now Trump would get somewhere around 22% of the eligible vote.
And that business about including children in the count too is just stupid, mostly because we don’t care what children think about things. (It’s why we don’t let them vote.)
The upside to all this, to bring this somewhat vaguely on topic with the thread again, is that what Trump supporters there are seem to actually know they’re still in the minority, so they don’t bring it up, at least in person. To the point that I don’t actually know whether most of my family supports Trump or not. They don’t say one way or the other, and I don’t ask - them probably for fear of justified criticism, and my because frankly I’d rather leave alive the possibility that they’re not blazing gullible hypocrites.
The Rasmussen poll on Drudge, the one predicting his possible victory in 2016 has been showing his approval rating hovering between 47% - 50% the last few weeks. Prior to the election you people insisted on focusing on the polls showing low support and you continue to do so now. But if there’s there’s one thing the election has made obvious it’s that your side has no intention of changing its ways.
This thread is sad. Oh no someone has a different point of view. Exile him/her/it.
Supporting Trump is not “a different point of view.”
I’m honestly curious as to what my ways are. I mean, I suppose you could be talking about my habit of spending too much on Legos, or of spending time with my family…
On the upside, several people here have said that they have in fact not cut off all contact with the conservatives in their life. I’m one of them!
I mean, maybe if I had more actual liberal friends I would consider it, but I live in Idaho. I’m not in a position to be picky.
Yes it is. At some point people need to grow up and realize that not every election is going to go their way. Politics has almost become as bad as college football with regards to the nuttery and zealotry.
Unlike college football, politics is about things that matter. A person who supports Trump is basically saying that they’re okay with all sorts of horrible things. Now, I’ve grown up around conservatives and have learned to put up with a lot of sociopathic behavior, but I can perfectly understand it if less calloused people would prefer to cut off contact and get a pet rock instead. A nice, quiet, pet rock. Very few pet rocks post Pepe memes, you know. Little known fact.
That indiscriminate, broad brush you and others are wielding is quite counterproductive. People have multiple reasons for voting as they do. This reminds me of the name-calling contests, oops debates, that occur on this board concerning such things as the confederate flag. One, simplistic, explanation for the motives of millions of diverse people is bound to be very erroneous.
You know why it took the Russians so little undocumented dollars to influence this and all future elections? Because the nation’s citizenry is already very divided.
I don’t have a problem being friends with a conservative, but we would absolutely have to agree on some basic tenets.
- Racism and homophobia are wrong, and prejudice and bigotry, while universal, should not be tolerated.
- People in unfortunate circumstances deserve more compassion than judgment. A little of the latter is okay just for entertainment purposes, but I can’t stand by self-righteousness. I would have a very hard time being friends with someone who seriously believes in karma or that this is a fair world.
- Religious beliefs are best kept private. If you are fine keeping your Jesusy talk to yourself, I won’t tell you what I think about Jesusy talk.
I value my time and energy way too much to put up with people who can’t follow these rules. If that makes me narrow-minded, so be it.
Ah, but I’m not overlooking the fact that people have many diverse reasons for liking the moronic turd in chief. I’m simply instead paying attention to the consistent things that such a supporter has to not reject to be able to tolerate that turdwallet.
They have to be okay with racism.
They have to be okay with sexism.
They have to be okay with sexual assault.
They have to be okay with incestuous inclinations and infidelity.
They have to be okay with incompetence in business.
They have to be okay with appalling childishness in a leader.
They have to be okay with a leader who doesn’t listen to advice.
They have to be okay with rampant obvious lying.
They have to be okay with overt obstruction of justice.
They have to be okay with attacks on democratic institutions such as the press and courts.
Sure, they may have a very good reason to like Trump, in their minds. But even in the best case these are babies that are being thrown out with the bathwater. And if a person is willing to do all that, to throw out that much decency and reason, well, that tells you about a person.
Even if the real reason they support him is a good one, like, hating taxes or whatever.
The nation’s citizenry has always been very divided, from the very very beginning. Even in the good old days.
I just want to mention that Conservative ≠ Trump supporter 100% of the time, any more than Liberal = Clinton supporter 100% of the time. I take pride that my Conservative friends despise Trump, and only see him as a tool for advancing the Conservative agenda (not all of which they agree with, most of which I disagree with). I like thoughtful people with well-reasoned arguments for their positions who are open for debate with facts. There are people on both sides of the aisle that can do that, and a lot of people who cannot.
Well, there’s the way you wear your hat, the way you sip your tea… really, it’s quite a long list. Also, I understand Peter Frampton is a big fan of at least one of them.
How do you know what they’re thinking?
Because it’s more a biased attack than a legitimate complaint. Ultimately, both sides will not be friends with someone for their political beliefs–when said political beliefs include something you consider sufficiently bad. But motivated reasoning allows conservatives to look at themselves and see the liberals they are friends with, and conclude they aren’t doing it, while, with liberals, they ignore that we are often friends with conservatives, and focus on the times when we aren’t, or the people who are less divisive.
The OP illustrates the different thinking perfectly, actually. He talks about not wanting to be friends with people who “believe that certain people don’t deserve the same rights as them or on someone who infringes on the role of minorities.” But the implication in the conservative attack is that we simply cannot be friends with conservatives.
It’s a different thing. We’re all friends with people who don’t agree with us politically, but not friends with people who believe certain bad things. We all have a line. The only reason the Right is pushing this so much right now is their own political position, which has a pretty evil guy calling the shots for a majority of their party. A whole lot of what their actual platform currently is is indefensible, so they have to fall back on this.
Because, like it or not, people who “believe that certain people don’t deserve the same rights as them or on someone who infringes on the role of minorities” are a significant factor in what is conservative right now. And, to be friends with conservatives, we have to find those who do not agree with that.
This is a good example. Conservatives do not want to give people less respect than dogs or that certain people don’t count as human beings. If you were friends with any conservatives you would have known that and not had to make up what conservatives believe.
Let me remedy that. You have bad ideas.
Where did he or she say that conservatives believed that?