I didn’t bring up disrespecting or courts(or proof, although that response almost always comes up when evidence is discussed). I only asked if you think there is evidence to support the existence of your particular deity, or are you one of those who believe that blind faith is sufficient.
Faith is the belief in something without proof. There is no blind faith; at best, it is a rendundant term.
From this site: Defining Faith - Definition of Faith — Compassion International. “Biblically, faith is considered a belief and trust in God based on evidence but without total proof.”
You really don’t see anything between the two extremes of (1) proof and (2) no reason to believe whatsoever?
There a a million reasons to have faith. Proof isn’t one of them.
There is one one side that keeps bringing up proof in this thread (and so many others).
This brings to mind the classic story of Doubting Thomas.
At least according to wikipedia, there seems to be a difference in the Catholic and Protestant approaches. Take the question of whether or not Thomas actually put his finger in the hole in Jesus’s side. I grew up Catholic, and was raised with the idea that Thomas actually did so. It seems that Protestantism seems to favor the idea that upon being challenged to do by Jesus, that Thomas decided he didn’t need to go quite that far.
Those two different approaches to how we think about the word faith may be where some of these differences are coming from.
The very first answer in this thread was pretty much spot on and only four sentences. You may not have liked it, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t spot on.
You mean, you?
I generally just don’t have time for this whole argument any more. If someone says “I believe, just because” then fine, now I know, and I can let it go at that. There is absolutely no sense in trying to persuade any believer that they are wrong.
I am not trying to. I am only asking that, if you believe, do you do so because of any particular evidence.
Not proof.
Not evidence that would pass in a court of law.
Just evidence.
I have no plans to debate whether that evidence is valid or not, so if you want there to be a trap you’re going to have to create it your self.
There is no proof God exists. There is also no proof God doesn’t exist.
Not asking for proof.
There is no proof God exists . . . which is evidence that God doesn’t exist.
As yer local neighbourhood ignostic, let me add - there is no agreed or coherent definition of what this “god” thing is or what would or would not constitute evidence of its existence or non-existence anyway, so the entire question of “evidence” is moot. We once had a thread along the lines of “What exactly is this god thing of yours, anyway?” and there were approximately as many different answers from theists as there were posts by theists.
There is no evidence wefopiefnf exists, there is no evidence wefopiefnf doesn’t exist. Same same.
Curious of what is your take on a person having an experience like Paul (of the Bible) had? That the Lord came to him directly. There is no proof so to speak. Would/could that cause a belief in God?
Given that the authorship of six of the thirteen canonical epistles of Paul is in question, we can’t even be sure Paul actually wrote about that experience let alone experienced it.
There’s no proof, so to speak? There’s no evidence, to speak.
Never mind the example – the better phrasing of the question to Czarcasm and others would be if they would take an answer based on personal subjective “experiential” evidence. Someone who says “I felt the Divine in this point of my life”. Or would it then just start a chain of “what evidence do you have that what you experienced was Divine”? (Or just be scornfully dismissed)
Because some people are acting like the believers have to justify being believers.
My problem is ‘I felt the Divine in this point of my life’ is very often followed by ‘and that’s why you should believe in my god!’
Given the number of times I’ve heard the demand that non believers justify their non belief the phrase ‘Prove my god doesn’t exist!’ is burned into my brain.
If they aren’t trying to convert me then why are they bringing it up and if they want to convert me then they better have more than ‘my feels say god is real!’
Which sounds like a different issue from “why do people believe”.
I guess I have not had the chance to experience any more than mild annoyance from and eyerolling at both insistent proselytists and aggressive antitheists, though granted the former have been far more numerous.
Hallucinations, drug use, mental illness all are things I’d consider before OMG, Hallelujah!