Why do some foods taste horrible?

Everyone has a small list of foods that they just won’t eat, right? Lately I’ve been revisiting mine and discovering that some of them are not so bad after all. :slight_smile: But there’s one that my body resists like crazy - celery. For some reason I cannot eat it; it is like trying to ingest motor oil. It doesn’t even register as food. I was sitting across the table from someone who was eating celery and the smell turned my stomach. And then there was someone else I once knew who cannot stand the smell of fish, even from across the table.

So now I’m wondering are human food preferences partially the result of some biological pre-programed system somewhere in the nose or brain? How well understood is the system that tells us what’s edible and what’s not?

This isn’t a GQ answer, but I note that I find the taste of celery to be horribly strong, and that is why I don’t like it. I also note that, although I like cilantro, I can taste a very slight soapy taste to it.

So my contention is that different people are more or less sensitive to certain tastes.

In general, food preferences vary wildly from one individual to another. And as you’ve seen, they change over time. There might be some specific foods that trigger certain genetic issues. In particular, it seems that the experience of cilantro being “soapy” might be related to a genetic variation. However, for the most part, I can’t see how food preferences in general can be “biologically pre-programmed.”

People taste things differently. There’s a chemical called phenylthiourea that is either tasteless or very bitter, depending on the taster’s genetic makeup. We used to use the stuff in biology class to teach a bit of human genetics. It’s been said that cilantro either tastes bad or good depending on genetics. How something tastes to someone can differ wildly to different people. Much of what people taste is really smell, and the sense of smell varies, also.

(OK, call it phenylthiocarbamide if you must, but the -urea version of it makes it a lot more fun.)

It’s weird. Raw tomatoes make me gag and heave. Cooked tomatoes are fine. I have no idea why I can’t “mind over matter” this issue, but I’m powerless to change it. I assume it’s learned behavior but I have no idea where or when.

The way it was 'splained in one physiology class I had in college was that the four tastes evolved because that was one of the few ways early man had of determining what was edible or not. Like your body needs salt to function, so it’s worthwhile to be able to detect that. Sweet things like fruits contain sugars that are needed for energy. However if something tastes sour or bitter it could be poisonous so those tend to be more of a “bleaaahhhh” response.

It makes sense as a theory but since my one sister happily eats lemons like sane people eat oranges, and I enjoy the heck out of bitter foods, it kind of breaks down in reality.

I think different people just like different things, and there’s not really any evolutionary basis for it. Like just the smell of seafood cooking makes me want to yarf, and bleu cheese takes to me like someone already yarfed it up. It might be the bitterness in celery that you absolutely can’t stand, or maybe it’s just One Of Those Things that means unfortunately you will never be the Celery Growers’ Association’s Person of the Year :smiley:

As someone who will eat just about anything, I find it very strange that people don’t like certain foods, like celery, cilantro, blue cheese, fish, etc.

I always chalked it up to never being exposed to certain foods while growing up. I don’t think that’s true now. I thought my wife was very, very picky until my daughter came along. She cannot and will not eat many, many, many things even though she’s been exposed to them.

There must be something going on and genetics seems highly likely.

It used to baffle me; I take it in stride now.

De gustibus non disputandum est

Doesn’t seem to be the former, as it was the smell that made me want to, well, yarf. But I find your username fitting after Morgenstern’s post. :smiley:

If it’s at all relevant, I can taste cilantro (love it!), I’m sure I’m not a supertaster, and I’m another one of those weird folks who happily eat lemons & limes.

Sorry, I just have to say this is one of the most serendipitous examples of sequential posting I have ever seen on the Dope!

*Darn! Ninja’d by umop ap!sdn

LOL I didn’t even notice that before.

I just hope the proximity doesn’t make Morgenstern sick 'cause I’m not cooking myself :smiley:

Not sure about “everyone.” I, for example, don’t have any taste aversions I could think of, which does make me a perfect dinner guest. But I do know other people like me, who seem to be true omnivores.

I like pretty much any food if prepared properly. There are a couple of food tastes I don’t care for, but if presented to me, I’ll just eat them anyway. I’ve never understood the concept of not being able to eat a certain food (other than something like allergy/medical problem).

For me, it’s anything in the cabbage family cooked. Coleslaw, yum, Cabbage rolls, yuck. Cauliflower raw, no problem, blanch it for a few seconds in boiling water - barf. Brussel sprouts - not even going there. Blech.

The full answer is going to include a number of factors. Taste aversions are one that hasn’t been mentioned. That is a strong aversion response you can develop to certain foods that you ate and then became sick immediately after. It is a survival adaptation but it can be triggered by things that aren’t related to the food itself like being drunk when you ate it and then vomiting or even by coming down with an unrelated illness immediately while you are eating it. Those are hard to break but it can be done with repeated successful exposures.

There are also the psychological aspects of taste, texture, and even color that affects how people react to some foods. It can be positive or negative. Beautifully presented, thinly sliced meat may taste great until you find out that it is made from cat meat or rat which really are eaten in some parts of the world. Some people are sensitive to that type of imagery and won’t eat things like hot dogs because of it. It isn’t completely rational but the full experience of eating ranges for beyond the digestive tract.

I’m pretty much in the category of someone who can/will eat anything. But one of my brothers will not eat fruit of any kind - ketchup and orange juice are as close as he’s willing to get to “fruit.”

There are definitely biological factors. You can look at the way kids favor carbs and protein. As they mature, they’re more likely to appreciate vegetables and other foods with bitter or sour notes. That makes sense if you’re pushing to grow quickly - a craving for celery is not going to make you big and strong by itself.

But so much is mental. I’m not an expert on the research, but I do know that the olfactory bulb of the brain is wired differently than any of our other senses. I’m sure there are experts who can clarify, but I’ve heard that responses to smells are processed more like reflexes than something like sight is. Since smell is actually 95% of taste, I think we can point to the wiring of olfactory bulb as being more important than issues like taste buds.

In any event, the wiring makes it more likely for smell to get an almost instinctive association of good or bad that bypasses conscious thought. Thus, one bad experience with fish could produce a subconscious “fish=sick for days” association that will keep you away from it even if your conscious brain can say “Yeah, but that was just once.”

There are also some associations that have to be learned, but seem to be biologically reinforced. I’m thinking of a study done with monkeys who watched video other monkeys reacting fearfully. In one set of videos, the filmed monkeys reacted fearfully to a snake; monkeys watching that learned to react fearfully toward snakes, even when they’d had no prior exposure to snakes. In another group, the monkeys saw video of other monkeys being fearful of a flower (edited in, in place of the snake). These monkeys did NOT learn to be fearful of flowers, despite no prior experience with flowers. And, having no experience with snakes, were also not fearful of snakes.

Assuming that applies to more than monkeys and snakes, it would suggest that there are certain foods we’ll rarely hate (mac and cheese, say), even if there’s lots of negative signals, and other foods that we’re predisposed to avoid (seafood, say), even if we have only a little negative input.

I found out that I was a phenyl…thingy taster in 8th grade biology. But I wonder, what effect does this have on things we actually eat? Is phenylthingy a common ingredient in food? Or are there other chemicals with a similar effect that are just more expensive or less available so we don’t use them to prove the same thing?

For the record, I have never been a picky eater. I can pretty much eat anything and enjoy it, as long as it wasn’t burnt. But I have never in my life been able to eat stewed pinto beans without vomiting. Oh god gross nasty. Other than that, I’ve loved broccoli/cauliflower/spinach/raw tomatoes/celery etc. and ate them all since at least kindergarten. I always used to get the most gold stars for finishing my lunch in kindergarten, because even on spinach days I would eat and love the spinach while most of the kids had to pass over it.

I remember that Bio class ;D

I think I was the only one in the class that tasted the test strip as bitter. My Bio teacher was intrigued, and gave me a few strips to test my family. We all tasted the strips as very bitter. So I’ve probably got that gene.

That said, I love cilantro. :stuck_out_tongue:

I have very few food repulsions. One is green peas. In a good split-pea soup with lots of smoky ham, I like it, but green peas on their own are bitter poison. Another is melon. The worst is cantaloupe, but honeydew ain’t no picnic either. Interestingly, I remember really liking cantaloupe and honeydew as a little kid. But when I got to about age 8, something flipped. Now they disgust me - smell and taste.

There’s also an odorous compound in urine after eating asparagus that not everyone can smell. According to this study I found cited in a Wiki page about it, they estimate that only about 25% of us can smell it. The rest don’t have the autosomal genes that provide the ability to smell that particular compound. This probably has no bearing on liking asparagus or not on the incoming side of the transaction, but it does illustrate how genetics can create differences in our perception of flavors.

Some of it isn’t just a matter of being able to taste something or not. The first time I tried a salsa with a lot of cilantro in it, I gagged and spit it out because it does taste just like cheap dish soap when overdone. However, I ate it often enough so that I like it in moderation now especially in Mexican food. The first time I tasted bleu cheese, I thought it was a food good bad (which it really kind of is) and thought it was disgusting. I really like it now though and even crave it.

The biggest single reason most people are picky eaters are because they aren’t adventurous enough to give many things the multiple tries it takes to appreciate them. It is easy to do when your family caters to that and you aren’t encouraged to push the boundaries starting at a young age. The people that will only eat well-done meat and mashed potatoes generally aren’t super-tasters, they are just really timid in that way.