Why do teabaggers think liberals are fearful?

I grew up around Denver in the 1960-70’s. A brown cloud hanging over the City was so common that it was worth remarking on when it was absent. This is not the case when I visit today, and yet there is far more car traffic today, and the are has spread and in-filled to where the population has probably doubled if not more, and yet people actually run in the downtown area without the burning throats and coughing fits that made it better to wait for the next bus in the early 1980s. I have no doubt, that if today’s cars were what we had in the 70’s people would be dying just from trying to breath.

Detroit and other automakers didn’t start making cars that didn’t pollute to high heavens, especially at altitude, until EPA regulations forced the change. It took real money to build out the light rail system and HOV lanes. These things have made a huge difference that anyone who was there can see and smell and taste.

Market forces won’t make it happen due to the tragedy of the commons. What is done for the good of all is pretty much against nearly every individual’s self interest. Only when we all agree to suffer a bit for the collective good can these changes happen, and government is the way we make such agreements. Yes, a few individuals with the means to do it can buy a Prius, but it won’t make the air better until the cheaper/less green options are denied the self serving among us.

As for the trees and the oil, I can only take it that you haven’t been following the price trends of gasoline and lumber.

Fearmongering is what modern liberalism is all about: Fear of global warming, ozone hole, DDT, energy crisis, overpopulation, and resource depletion. Many kids nowadays are having it drilled into them that they won’t have a future, that the world will be flooded and boiling by the time they grow up.

Don’t you mean: “Many kids nowadays are having it drilled into them that they won’t have a future, that the world will be flooded and boiling by the time they grow up, unless there is change”?

Yes, and many other kids are having it drilled into them that there is a real threat that their children will grow up in a Spanish-speaking country under Sharia law where white people aren’t the majority and gays can throw it in your face that they’re married. Yeah, sure, liberals are fearmongers and conservatives are completely chill. :rolleyes:

You do know that the majority of influx of population to both states over the years has been Americans from other states, don’t you? Unless we establish internal passports, the only thing Florida could do would be post a big sign on I-95 that says “we ain’t building one damn more housing unit at any price nor are we permitting one damn more plant or business to open here”. That particular problem is an externality of an economic policy based on growth for growth’s own sake, but we really don’t yet have anything better to offer in the short run except “settling for less”, and neither the rich, the poor, the middle, the left, the right, nor anyone, seems to embrace that proposition.
In any case I must also coment that some of the posters simply have reiterated the position that Liberals (or Conservatives) are afraid or are fearmongers, or their perception of what is it that the Liberals or Conservatives fear. EVERYONE fears something. Or if you don’t like “fear” then at least everyone is wary of something. But is it really a matter that the political alignments are BASED upon fear? If I supported certain policies because I believed it would be a bad thing if soviet-style communism became dominant, was that “fear”? If I support certain policies because I believe clean air and healthy children are worth more than rising stock values, is that “fear”? Or is really very often just a rhetorical device to degrade what the other side values, or to galvanize those who are potentially sympathetic but won’t act unless given a sense of urgency?

Gore talks about a global warming apocalypse in 10 ten years. According to Paul Ehrlich on overpopulation or the Club of Rome on resource depletion, we all be starving already.

I never said that conservatives don’t fear anything, although this seems to be more of a list of predictions that the liberal press celebrates triumphetly. Iran giving some terrorist group a nuke to blow up New York while Obama patiently explains to them that he actually has a Muslim middle name – there’s something to fear.

Cite please, as usual what I see here is not what Gore said.

Fear itself?

The reality is that if that were the case Iran would become a crater. Iran is being reckless, but I do not think that they would go mad and give the technology to groups that caused the US to rain destruction upon nations that did not support those groups even.

“Humanity (has) ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced.” This is from his movie’s web site. It was put up in 2006, so we now have 6 years to live.
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You’re counting on Obama to nuke Iran?? If he doesn’t act to prevent Iran from getting nukes, that means he’s made a decision not to act. A blast might not even interrupt his vacation. After 9/11, the former Clinton administration poohbahs took to the airwaves to tell us not to retaliate in any way. In any case, the leaders of Iran are ready to sacrifice the Iranian people to help bring about final apocalypse and the coming the 12th Imam, or at least they say they are. They have sacrificed a great deal over many years to get nukes.

Read it again, it does not say apocalypse or the end of the world.

And considering what took place in Pakistan and Russia this year I think he was on the money.

And here I see yet again a failure of reading properly, the issue was the Iranians giving weapons to unreliable terrorists, if you have missed the news, many do follow the wishes of Saudi Arabia in the sense that if terrorists get a hand on a nuke, one likely target would be Iran.

But I will let this Republican professor at BYU explain why scientists do not dismiss Al Gore like many on the right would like.

So, besides being an attempt to kill the messenger, dismissing Gore is just an excuse to ignore that the science he mentioned still supports almost all of what he said.

Freeman Dyson is one of the most prominent scientists alive today, possibly even a better source than Al Gore or some guy on a blog. Check it out:

Uh, no he is not a good source. And once again, you are not sounding credible at all when you describe a professor at BYU as “some guy on a blog”

http://climateprogress.org/2007/08/15/freeman-dyson-climate-crackpot/

It doesn’t sound like you even bothered read Dyson. Yes, I’m sure he makes mistakes. I’m also sure that the realclimate people disagree with what he says, and so what? One point Dyson makes is that no matter what you believe about the climate, economic growth and technical advances will give us the tools and resources to deal whatever is coming. This is the opposite of the Gore solution, which is basically to shut the economy down.

That’s not what he said. He didn’t say “we’re going to die in 10 years.” He said “we’re going to have a major catastrophe if we don’t act in the next 10 years.” Whatever disagreement you have with Gore about climatology - and he did make some extreme predictions - misinterpreting what he said isn’t going to help.

They are scientists too (the OP’s at RealClimate), and they demonstrate where the consensus is.

(This just makes him a really useless source)

Cite? That is not his say so, but what teabaggers and denier republicans say.

I forgot to add that even Dyson has admitted that he is not an expert in this matter and he is not currently engaged in the research.

http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

It is the experts in Climate Research or related science that we have to rely on; and no, scientists are not experts on everything, they specialize and then become experts.

But doesn’t President Ahmadinejad believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ is nigh (Muslims don’t believe that Jesus Christ will come back as the Son of God, but rather as a prophet from Allah)? Hasn’t he also stated that this cannot happen until the world is filled with chaos and the Mahdi has been leading the war against the Antichrist? I do believe he’s also said that the US is the Antichrist, hasn’t he?

It kind of seems like his religious beliefs would encourage driving America to war, especially a war with Iran.

I would also remember how very religious rapture guys like Ted Haggard (Gay homophobe) had the ear of George Bush and gave him guidance on the way to the Iraq War.

The difference IMO is that the US was not stupid to gave weapons of mass destruction to a third party expecting them to hit on Iraq, when it would be more likely that the US would be the target. The problem that is ignored here is that Bin Laden and company are radical wahabbi (radicals of an already radical Muslim group), and wahabbi’s see Shia Islam (Iran) as an evil twisting of their faith.

I still think that Iran is being reckless, but they are not idiots, they will not give nukes to the terrorists willingly, the most likely way for terrorists to get a hold of nukes will be on places like Pakistan. If the government falls down I expect a mad scramble for the weapons there.

Looks like conservatives might be the fearful ones?