Yes, it is a personal attack. I don’t care if you believe the nonsense you’re posting; that would just mean you’re probably wrong in addition to being rude and not paying attention to my instructions. If you want to call Alessan a propagandist (paid or volunteer), do it in the Pit.
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Likewise, your repeated errors on the Arab Peace Plan have been explained to you. They are a unilateral, immediate demand that would leave Hamas in charge of a new sovereign state, with the ability to import weaponry, move freely and set up within rocket range of every single Israeli man, woman and child. If you maintain that this is a successful recipe for peace, then there’s no way to have a robust discussion on the merits of the actual plan itself. To say nothing of the fact that the Green Line represents an indefensible border, that there are legitimate territorial claims on both sides of the green line for both sides, and that the framework for decades has been negotiation and not unilateral acceptance of Saudi demands.
Dude, they got fucked over and lost their homes because they were politically powerless.
Had they been middle class or wealthy whites, it’s extremely doubtful they’d have been tested in this way.
Once again, I find it amusing how many people get outraged by 30 Palestinians getting screwed over have no problem with thousands of Mexican-Americans getting screwed over.
It’s almost as if the concern isn’t over poor, politically powerless minorities getting screwed over but that the people doing the screwing are Israelis.
So then your position is that if the Puerto Ricans don’t like they’re land being stolen, then they should leave that land and move to the continental US(not sure why you said “America” since they live in America).
As you gloss over, because Puerto Ricans can’t vote to send representatives to Congress or the President, they regularly get fucked in ways white people aren’t.
However you’re apparently fine with them getting screwed over but not much smaller numbers of Palestinians.
Essentially you’re admitting that you get outraged by the Israelis fucking over people but don’t care when the US does it, even when they screw over a much larger group of people.
I’m just posting a cite that shows theat even the Israeli Supreme Court accept that the West bank is held by Israel under belligerent occupation. Just to help clear up any debate in the thread over whether the israelis are or are not occupying the West bank
So then the answer is you didn’t bother reading it.
I posted the cite to clear up any debate in the thread over whether the WB is being held under belligerent occupation by Israel. What part of this don’t you understand?
Readers are, of course, free to determine whether or not Dick is cherrypicking verdicts of the Israeli Supreme Court only when he thinks that they happen to support his argument, or if his argument will now accept any SCoI verdict as proper and compelling. Heck, readers are free to determine whether Dick is cherrypicking even within that same verdict that he cited, as it finds that the separation barrier’s course is justified by military necessity and legal.
I got the impression reading my link that “belligerent occupation” is a legal term.
They got to vote for the people who voted on dodger stadium. Its how representative democracy works.
You usually don’t get to vote down an eminent domain proceeding; you can only vote out the bastards in the Council who sanctioned it. Anyway, that story is a little more complicated than I thought; when the evictions were completed, the stadium proposal was still years away and the plan was to move the people to public housing.
I’ve provided the link for anyone who’s curious, but let’s not hijack this thread any farther in that direction. It’s a substantially different situation from the topic of the thread.
If those 30 Palestinians were the only ones getting screwed over then you would be correct.
Politically powerless or not, they can vote. Can Palestinians vote?
I’m not entirely sure what the deal is with Peurto Ricans other than the fact that they do not pay US taxes. Do you have a cite for their outrage at having all their land taken from them?
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Can Palestinians vote?
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They can if they have Israeli citizenship. I think the only bar to them is military service. Whether the Palestinians in question were Israeli citizens or not I couldn’t say…probably not. But Arabs of Palestinian descent CAN be Israeli citizens and so could vote.
Anyway, a mod has said this is a hijack so I’d just let it go and refocus on the OP and the discussion at hand.
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DA, what are you talking about.
What political offices can the residents of Puerto Rico vote for?
Can they vote for Senators or congressional representatives?
No.
Can they vote for the President?
Again, no.
Sorry, but if you’re going to throw a hissy fit over Israel appropriating Palestinians’ land then you should be outraged, outraged at the way the Navy has taken Puerto Ricans’ land for security purposes.
Why aren’t you?
I think I was just refuting the fact that the three no’s of Khartoum are not as robust as some people seem to think. Even if you don’t LIKE the plan they are offering, the “no’s” don’t seems to be solid no’s anymore and a couple of countries have in fact negotiated with Israel already.
Let me know when the Palestinians in the OT can move to Tel Aviv and start voting then we can compare apples to apples.
I’m not saying we haven’t fucked over people int he past 500 years or even in the past 5 years (American indians and blacks during slavery and Jim Crow South) but this whole “Gee you ONLY seem to complain when its Israel (i.e. Jews) that are doing the fucking over… I wonder why THAT is” And your “since you don’t seem to actually care about the Palestinians, your objections to what is going on could only be explained by fact that its is Israel (i.e. Jews) that are fucking over the palestinians” are just thinly veiled accusations of anti-semitism
If your defenses of Israel come down to “Hey how come you aren’t outraged at those non-Jewish guys over there?” and “Hamas kills innocent people with suicide bombers, how come you don’t mention THAT every time you talk about Israel?” Then you have already lost the debate.
He has? Some of this stuff seems relevant to the discussion. If the folks in the OT could vote, the settlement activity might not happen,
Yeah, but only once you add in the (i.e. Jews) bit, which you imagined and was not contained in anything Ibn implied let alone said.
It’s perfectly possible for people to have partisan politics, to have inconsistent political ideologies, to hold double standards and even to be bigoted against a nation or nationality in general without being bigoted against an associated ethnic or religious group. If someone suggests that you’re using a double standard in a political debate and your response is essentially “Stop calling me an anti-Semite!” it’s clear that something is a tad bit… off.
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He has? Some of this stuff seems relevant to the discussion. If the folks in the OT could vote, the settlement activity might not happen
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In order to vote they would have to WANT to be Israeli citizens, and presumably apply for citizenship in Israel. How many Palestinians in the OT do you figure have a burning desire to relinquish all ties or bonds and embrace Israel and become citizens? I have no idea, but I’ve never heard of a huge clamor of Palestinians yearning for Israeli citizenship, so if you have a cite it’s not something I’m familiar with.
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Yes as soon as they move to a “state”. Can you say the same for the palestinians in the OT?
Yes as soon as they move to a “state or the District of Columbia”.
Because its different.