Faith-based thinkers simply cannot conceive of a way of mind that isn’t faith-based. So they have to shoe-horn atheism and other logic- and evidence-based worldviews into a faith-centric taxonomy.
This is a large part of why faith-in-absence-of-evidence such a hard problem for humanity to deal with.
As pointed out, you can…and in fact are…saying it now. So, not sure what you are getting at here. You don’t have to put up with religious people if you don’t want to. You don’t have to put up with conservatives…or liberals…or right wingers…or left wingers…or moderates…or people who like beagles, or don’t like them, or myriad other things. You can be as rude as you like. You might get punched in the nose, or killed or whatever, but your right to be as much of an asshole as you like is undiminished.
The thing with your tooth fairy bit is lost on me. So what if most people don’t believe in the tooth fairy? What does that matter? Those who do believe, so why make a big deal about it one way or the other unless they are actively trying to force you to convert to tooth fairy belief? If they are, then you don’t have to put up with it…unless you live in a majority tooth fairy nation where disbelief carries serious repercussions. Fairly obviously, you don’t, since you are posting this on a message board and not being blocks and haven’t, as yet, been dragged off to prison or being cut up for parts (the ironic counter to your own apparent issue…the presence of belief in some countries can get you sent off for re-education, which, if you are really unlucky and a perfect match for a wealthy person who needs your kidneys might be a bad time for you).
I’ve never understood this urge by some atheists…which is probably why I’ve always shied away from labeling myself an atheist, despite my lack of belief. Why do you need to do anything about religious people? Why do you need to attack their belief? I mean, sure, defend yourself, forcefully if necessary from anyone trying to push it on you, but why beat your head against the wall of their certain belief? Seems like it would be both futile and counter productive and in the end meaningless. People believe what they believe. As long as they aren’t trying to stuff that down your throat, it’s no skin off your ass as far as I can tell except perhaps the annoyance part. But then, lots of folks belief that has nothing to do with religion can and is annoying too.
At any rate, we are far past the point where you can say you don’t believe in a magic giant in the sky without any repercussions except maybe someone arguing with you. Feel free to say it. Hell, here you go…I don’t believe in the tooth fairy OR a magic giant in the sky. I also don’t believe Trump is a good President. Nor do I believe that 9/11 was a huge US government conspiracy. So far, no one is kicking down my door to haul me off to
Faith-based thinkers? Antony Flew was a well known atheist for most of his life. Same with George H. Smith, and Michael Lou Martin wrote Atheism: A Philosophical Justification.
According to your definition of “faith”- these three well known atheists were not Faith-based thinkers.
Ok, so you dont want Christians and other religious people to have any input into government, entertainment, education and just in general in all of society. So what do you want people of faith to do?
Do you want to ban churches and arrest believers like they do in China and North Korea?
It sounds to me those self labeled atheists would fit more comfortably in the agnostic category
I thought atheism required a disbelief, not necessarily from a lack of evidence
Atheism can also entail “nonbelief” and does not always require active “disbelief.”
I positively disbelieve in JRR Tolkien’s Elbereth. I positively disbelieve in any God that has any “infinite” attribute. But as regards most claims for the supernatural, I merely “don’t believe,” having been given no convincing evidence. None of these ideas entails “faith.”
Who, precisely, in this thread, has said anything like that?
And if someone has, kindly address them directly.
One thing many non-religious people would like is for certain religious people to stop responding to ‘please stop trying to make us follow your rules’ with ‘You’re attacking us!’
If there’s no evidence for something, then I don’t believe it. There is no evidence that there are five tons of gold in my house; therefore I don’t believe I can solve my financial problems by selling five tons of gold that I found in my house, because I don’t believe that there’s five tons of gold here. There’s no evidence that I’ve got Superman’s x-ray vision, therefore I don’t believe that I’ve got it. There’s no evidence that Superman exists outside of fiction, therefore I don’t believe that Superman exists outside of fiction.
Why are you objecting to people saying they don’t believe something?
I want to see a complete separation of church and state. I don’t want religious dogma to inform public policy. I don’t want to see the name of any god on currency or public buildings. I want a cessation to the implicit requirement that every presidential candidate declare a religion and affiliate with a church. I want to see an end to the ability of religious groups/organizations/churches to hide behind the tenets of their religions in order to discriminate against marginalized groups.