You proved my point. A)What in that video didn’t look like meat? B)Just because you don’t like to watch it being made doesn’t mean you should run around saying it’s not actually meat. Also, that list you mentioned…they looked like meat to me. Just because the hot dogs aren’t made from T-bones and tenderloins (or pork chops and spare ribs) and doesn’t mean they aren’t meat.
Steve Howe bathes regularly, but John Wetton sometimes goes weeks without even using underarm deodorant, and his breath stinks, too. They both had long greasy hair in the 80s – I’m talking the stinky natural “grease” – but hair is less of an issue these days. Carl Palmer has dirty fingernails, and sometimes he forgets to brush his teeth, but overall he’s a pretty clean bloke.
Come on dude. It was a stab at humor.
Though come to think of it, I’m not altogether certain that ears and snouts would be categorized as meat. Meat byproduct, yes.
Asia as opposed to… parts of Eastern Europe? Africa? South/Central/Caribbean American? Or just why Asia seems to be nasty and filthy compared to the US/Western Europe?
Anecdote here.
When I was stationed in Korea in 1998 some friends and I went downtown to sightsee. We walked behind a bank and there was a pair of underwear with a big ole soft serve coiled up on top of it. Not inside it. On it. Like they took their underwear off set them on the ground and shit on them.
We took a picture of it and hung it on the wall in the barracks.
There is alot of filthy ness in Korea. I can assure you.
I see that daily in New York City.
Well, it is a human right to eat the poo poo.
It seems to be a daily (nightly?) thing in New Orleans’ French Quarter. Or at least some kind of bodily wastes. I wouldn’t want to get close enough to find out.
I can assure you that you would never see anything like that in Seoul nowadays.
One of the reasons for this is that most of Asia is late in developing industry compared to the west. They feel they have to catch up in terms of economic development, so they’ve allowed themselves to develop pell-mell with little oversight.
This is urge is especially strong in China, which sees itself as a proud, important country that is returning to its place at the forefront of the world after centuries of backwardness. The lack of environmental regulations has given it huge growth rates in the past three decades, but Beijing is constantly clouded with smog.
I don’t have much to add except I remember holidaying in the beautiful area of Halong Bay in Veitnam. We took a three day boat trip. The crew were very careful to ensure we put our litter into the bins provided. Later on I spotted them tossing the plastic bin bags over the side into the water. What was the point?
In the centre of Hanoi is a beautiful and culturally important lake. I spotted locals finishing cans of coke and just tossing them into the water. I know that sort of thing happens in the West but it just seemed like the attitudes towards their own environment were pretty shoddy in Vietnam as well as Thailand. I also know that in the Maldives there is a trash island where the litter isn’t even contained inside fences. The waves lap over the discarded waste, some of which is metal and other stuff which is horrible for the environment, collected mostly from the tourist resorts. Disgusting.
I’m guessing some education wouldn’t go amiss, but understandably there are higher priorities for third world governments.
I like Western cleanliness (though I fall short in my own household). However, I can hear the other side complaining that we might be TOO clean. Maybe if we weren’t so anal about disinfecting every surface, we wouldn’t have so many allergy sufferers and other “weaklings”. Maybe we wouldn’t have all these super bugs.
I mean, I definitely don’t want to romanticize unsanitary conditions. My job requires me to care at least a little. But sometimes the outcry can be a little hysterical. Your favorite swimming hole with never be 100% safe to swim in, not as long as there are mammals dropping turds anywhere in your watershed. Does this mean you shouldn’t go swimming? Does this mean you need to write a nasty letter to your congressman, demanding action from someone? No. It just means that your favorite swimming hole is not a chlorinated indoor swimming pool. Nature is messy sometimes.
By the way, Americans also use human poop as fertilizer. Google “biosolid”. If you ever buy potting soil at the store, you’re getting a product that contains biosolids (especially that cheap stuff that you get from Family Dollar). We use a fancier name and it’s processed to make it safer, but it’s still plain ole shit.
SCRUB, Christina. SCRUB.
Two things are at work here. One is just plain population and poverty. Poverty is dirty, as the truly poor often have to prioritize other things and governments often don’t provide much in the way of sanitation services. Cities are also dirty, even in rich countries. Parts of Asia have lots of big, poor cities.
The other factor is different concepts of what is a “clean” space and what is a dirty space. In China, for example, the floor of your house is very much a clean space, and you would never want to walk across it with your shoes (which are dirty) on. But the floor of, say, a cheap restaurant is not considered a clean space, and it’s okay to throw your used paper towels and bones on it, because you don’t expect it to be clean any more than I’d expect a back ally to be clean. Conversely, in the US we might sweep up a restaurant floor at the end of the night, but in China you’d expect a restaurant floor to be swept up continually through the day to clear away the debris. Often, it’s not really that one place is cleaner or dirtier than the other, but that we get thrown off by seeing spaces we consider to be “clean” dirtied, and we don’t really notice when spaces we keep dirty are kept clean.
And I’ve seen shit smeared everywhere in dozens of public bathrooms here and this in Orange County not backwoods Appalachia or inner city Detroit.
Since he escaped your list, I guess Geoff Downes is pretty clean, then.
Whereas they know the proper way to dispose of such things in civilized countries . . .
Actually, google Bay State Fertilizer which is, bluntly, Boston shit. It’s been processed to make it safe for use but it’s still composed of solids flushed down Boston toilets.
We don’t just use human feces for fertilizer in the US, we actually sell the shit as a commercial enterprise. Since “bag of human shit” won’t go over well with American consumers they choose a more appealing name. Nor is Boston the only place selling their shit for fertilizer.
It is with sadness I must inform you that Steve Howe is no longer in Asia, having left at the start of the year to concentrate on Yes and his solo work. I have no idea of the cleanliness of his replacement, Sam Coulson, nor would I like to speculate for fear of perpetuation stereotypes about prog rock guitarists.
Having been to “backwoods Appalachia” as well as urban areas like Detroit and Chicago, I’d say you’re FAR more likely to see shit smeared about in public places in the big city than in Appalachia, where the cultural normal is to leave one’s deposit in the pit toilet/latrine/outhouse where flush toilets aren’t available (and really, most of Appalachia has indoor plumbing these days). Really, the only places I’ve encountered shit in alleys, streets, train, or bus stations is the big city.