Why does china not value individualism, and not shun cheating, lying, and scamming?

[Barack_Obama]

Just a quick question that the only people who’ll agree with me on are people who’ve actually lived in china for more than 3 months (I couldnt make it past 3 months outside of hong kong).
So if you don’t know what I’m talking about… In china people spit in public all the time, everyone is going around spitting on everything. They do not show common courtesy when driving or in public. Often times you’ll be on a bus and have two old people yelling at each other, or the guy behind you on the phone yelling at his wife. Theres no regard for other people over there, they do not care about you or showing you respect. The people there are so prone to scamming and deceiving that if you see someone lying seemingly dead on the streets, your best bet is to stay away from them if you don’t want the cops called on you for knocking them to the ground. The cops are corrupt and hate foreigners, they’ll take the word of a chinese person over a foreigner any day.

I’ve never had food poisoning in my life, didn’t even know what it really was… until I ate chinese food. Which chinese food isn’t what we think of chinese food being. When I think about chinese food I think about a chicken having its head chopped off in front of me then stuffed into a bag. They leave fresh meat sitting in the sun all day long, and I’m assuming the restaurants buy this tainted food hence why everyone I know who has been to china has gotten food poisoning at least once.

In china nothing is held sacred, if you make an amazing drawing or product, people will steal it, sell a shittier cheaper version, and nobody cares. People rip each other off constantly, it’s like living in a two thousand year old middle eastern country trying to haggle with everybody, most of the time if you don’t know what you’re doing you’ll be ripped off.

So my question is simple. Why the china a shithole society. Not just their country but their people and their norms. It’s by all means a terrible place to live and it’s depressing. I imagine the bulk of people who know anything about china only stayed maybe a few days in Hong Kong then assume the rest of the country is like that. I remember learning that the Japanese stole and implemented much of Chinese culture into their own. So why is Japan like Heaven in contrast to china being hell? Japan everyone is respectful, there aren’t whores trying to scam you on the street corners. People don’t try to rip you off daily, you don’t have to haggle to get a reasonable price on stuff. You aren’t constantly under threat of being robbed or targeted for trying to be a good person. They don’t spit everywhere, their food is safe and doesn’t give you food poisoning. Their country is better developed, the people are smarter, and the women care about their appearances even if they arent prostitutes. They wear masks when they’re sick to avoid getting you sick, they wash their hands and their public toilets are actually cleaned once in a while.

I’ve said this before, the chinese people remind me of the people from my home in the states. They’re a bunch of ignorant rednecks, the only difference is our people won’t let you die on the streets even if they’re racist and dont like you. They’re good people, but I cannot say the same about the chinese. This isn’t just a handful of people, actually go to china and see what it’s like for yourselves. The ONLY people who are somewhat decent are the younger people in their 20s or teens. Everyone else and even many of the youth are terrible people. I can’t fathom how terrible it would be to live in this kind of society your entire life. It’s extremely depressing and really makes you appreciate the political correctness and common courtesy we have here in the states.

Edit: Oh yeah and china is worst than Detroit. Never been robbed, mugged, or even threatened in detroit in the ghetto. Yet China, not even a few weeks in I had been robbed, and scammed. Had a man with a knife take my money, phone, wallet, and food. Police did nothing, I never got my phone, money, or wallet back. I was basically told to fuck off and go home. I’m 100% serious about that.

[PigArcher]

@Barack_Obama

So if you don’t know what I’m talking about… In china people spit in public all the time, everyone is going around spitting on everything. They do not show common courtesy when driving or in public. Often times you’ll be on a bus and have two old people yelling at each other, or the guy behind you on the phone yelling at his wife. Theres no regard for other people over there, they do not care about you or showing you respect. The people there are so prone to scamming and deceiving that if you see someone lying seemingly dead on the streets, your best bet is to stay away from them if you don’t want the cops called on you for knocking them to the ground. The cops are corrupt and hate foreigners, they’ll take the word of a chinese person over a foreigner any day.

Never been to China, but this sounds like every major city I’ve ever lived in in North America and Europe.

Other than the spitting. Here in Vancouver it smells like weed everywhere instead.

[Bone]

Off to the Pit (from Great Debates) where you can rant about Chinese people, or just generally denigrate whole swathes of the world.

[/moderating]

[Ravenman]

There are indeed fundamental problems with China, but the lesson from your screed is that you’re a giant pussy. I mean, a real chickenshit snowflake. If you can only stand three months in China, move back in with your parents and have them bottlefeed you for the rest of your feeble, infantile life and pray that the rest of your life is characterized by someone protecting you from any kind of unpleasantness.

I’ve met wine glasses made of sterner stuff than you.

[John_Mace]

And they are very crafty, the Chinese. Oh, and let’s not forget inscrutable. Plus, what’s up with the food? You eat it, and 1 hour later you’re hungry again!! :mad:

[TonySinclair]

@Barack_Obama

…The people there are so prone to scamming and deceiving that if you see someone lying seemingly dead on the streets, your best bet is to stay away from them if you don’t want the cops called on you for knocking them to the ground.
…
I’ve said this before, the chinese people remind me of the people from my home in the states. They’re a bunch of ignorant rednecks, the only difference is our people won’t let you die on the streets even if they’re racist and dont like you.

Maybe not so different.

[Barack_Obama]

@Bone

Off to the Pit (from Great Debates) where you can rant about Chinese people, or just generally denigrate whole swathes of the world.

[/moderating]

I don’t think denigrate is the right word here.

It’s an objective statement that China does not value individualism and condones cheating, lying, and stealing. I don’t think I’m demonizing the chinese when I say they spit everywhere and are rude. That’s a fact about their culture they speak bluntly and don’t really regard other peoples comfort, safety, or happiness too highly.

There are exceptions to everything but the exceptions here are relatively small. Out of a million of chinese people, only a dozen or less will actually help you. Those dozen will invite you to diner, give you free alcohol, and maybe give you some directions. It just so happens in the cities you’re even less likely to find these kind of people. Their society is so deceitful that people are afraid to help others.

None of this is bias or unfair accusations. People who’ve lived in China for longer than I’ve been alive have expressed these grievances.

[silenus]

As usual, the OP knows fuck all about fuck all.

[DrFidelius]

China has 5000 years experience being Chinese. Maybe us westerners are the ones who are wrong.

[Barack_Obama]

@DrFidelius

China has 5000 years experience being Chinese. Maybe us westerners are the ones who are wrong.

The human race has about 200,000 years of experience being human. Maybe the past 200 years of moral progress is wrong.

[XT]

@DrFidelius

China has 5000 years experience being Chinese. Maybe us westerners are the ones who are wrong.

Except that much of Chinese culture and civilization was destroyed in the last 60 years, and a lot of the worst attributes of the current generation of Chinese (well, really the generation before) came directly out of that. Sadly, if you want to see some of the 5000 year rich history of China, including the original written language you need to go to Taiwan…

[friedo]

@DrFidelius

China has 5000 years experience being Chinese. Maybe us westerners are the ones who are wrong.

We have much to learn from them.
Like, how the shit do my eggrolls stay crispy even though the delivery guy is an hour late?

[Lamoral]

@Barack_Obama

So why is Japan like Heaven in contrast to china being hell? Japan everyone is respectful, there aren’t whores trying to scam you on the street corners. People don’t try to rip you off daily, you don’t have to haggle to get a reasonable price on stuff. You aren’t constantly under threat of being robbed or targeted for trying to be a good person. They don’t spit everywhere, their food is safe and doesn’t give you food poisoning. Their country is better developed, the people are smarter, and the women care about their appearances even if they arent prostitutes. They wear masks when they’re sick to avoid getting you sick, they wash their hands and their public toilets are actually cleaned once in a while.

Japan was, in living memory, so collectively dangerous that America had to drop nuclear bombs on them. They ate people during World War II. They did all kinds of horrific shit.

Cultures change. Governments change, societies change. The people living in Japan today don’t bear any responsibility for what happened in World War II. And the Japanese militarists who instigated the aggression in that war and manipulated millions of their people into being killed, were not the same Japanese who had ruled the country 50 years prior.

The thing about the face masks is superstitious bullshit, it doesn’t actually protect you. They do this in a number of Asian countries, not just Japan, and it’s all a farce. It’s like believing in dowsing. It doesn’t do anything to protect you. I’ve read that the germs still get transmitted; it’s all for show.

[Darren_Garrison]

I’m just tired of those assholes putting peepee in my Coke.

[John_DiFool]

@silenus

As usual, the OP knows fuck all about fuck all.

[squints very hard]

You know, I kind of have a hunch that the OP isn’t the real Barack Obama…

[asahi]

@Barack_Obama

Just a quick question that the only people who’ll agree with me on are people who’ve actually lived in china for more than 3 months (I couldnt make it past 3 months outside of hong kong).
So if you don’t know what I’m talking about… In china people spit in public all the time, everyone is going around spitting on everything. They do not show common courtesy when driving or in public. Often times you’ll be on a bus and have two old people yelling at each other, or the guy behind you on the phone yelling at his wife. Theres no regard for other people over there, they do not care about you or showing you respect. The people there are so prone to scamming and deceiving that if you see someone lying seemingly dead on the streets, your best bet is to stay away from them if you don’t want the cops called on you for knocking them to the ground. The cops are corrupt and hate foreigners, they’ll take the word of a chinese person over a foreigner any day.

I’ve never had food poisoning in my life, didn’t even know what it really was… until I ate chinese food. Which chinese food isn’t what we think of chinese food being. When I think about chinese food I think about a chicken having its head chopped off in front of me then stuffed into a bag. They leave fresh meat sitting in the sun all day long, and I’m assuming the restaurants buy this tainted food hence why everyone I know who has been to china has gotten food poisoning at least once.

In china nothing is held sacred, if you make an amazing drawing or product, people will steal it, sell a shittier cheaper version, and nobody cares. People rip each other off constantly, it’s like living in a two thousand year old middle eastern country trying to haggle with everybody, most of the time if you don’t know what you’re doing you’ll be ripped off.

So my question is simple. Why the china a shithole society. Not just their country but their people and their norms. It’s by all means a terrible place to live and it’s depressing. I imagine the bulk of people who know anything about china only stayed maybe a few days in Hong Kong then assume the rest of the country is like that. I remember learning that the Japanese stole and implemented much of Chinese culture into their own. So why is Japan like Heaven in contrast to china being hell? Japan everyone is respectful, there aren’t whores trying to scam you on the street corners. People don’t try to rip you off daily, you don’t have to haggle to get a reasonable price on stuff. You aren’t constantly under threat of being robbed or targeted for trying to be a good person. They don’t spit everywhere, their food is safe and doesn’t give you food poisoning. Their country is better developed, the people are smarter, and the women care about their appearances even if they arent prostitutes. They wear masks when they’re sick to avoid getting you sick, they wash their hands and their public toilets are actually cleaned once in a while.

I’ve said this before, the chinese people remind me of the people from my home in the states. They’re a bunch of ignorant rednecks, the only difference is our people won’t let you die on the streets even if they’re racist and dont like you. They’re good people, but I cannot say the same about the chinese. This isn’t just a handful of people, actually go to china and see what it’s like for yourselves. The ONLY people who are somewhat decent are the younger people in their 20s or teens. Everyone else and even many of the youth are terrible people. I can’t fathom how terrible it would be to live in this kind of society your entire life. It’s extremely depressing and really makes you appreciate the political correctness and common courtesy we have here in the states.

Edit: Oh yeah and china is worst than Detroit. Never been robbed, mugged, or even threatened in detroit in the ghetto. Yet China, not even a few weeks in I had been robbed, and scammed. Had a man with a knife take my money, phone, wallet, and food. Police did nothing, I never got my phone, money, or wallet back. I was basically told to fuck off and go home. I’m 100% serious about that.

You forgot to add

“Sincerely,
Privileged White American Male Suburbanite”

p.s. Just because it never happened in your America, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

[XT]

@asahi

You forgot to add

“Sincerely,
Privileged White American Male Suburbanite”

p.s. Just because it never happened in your America, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Well…I’d go out on a limb here and say some of the things that happen in China probably don’t happen in either his America or yours either. Just because the OP is an idiot doesn’t mean bad shit doesn’t happen in China that dwarves anything that happens in the US, Europe or even, dare I say, Canada…

[dropzone]

@Darren_Garrison

I’m just tired of those assholes putting peepee in my Coke.

I got a C in Biology, but I don’t think that’s what pee comes out of.

[China_Guy]

@Barack_Obama

I don’t think denigrate is the right word here.

“Denigrate” is an appropriate but extremely appropriate word here.

Ravenman nailed it in one. You can’t stand 3 months in China with a McDonalds within 5 minutes of wherever you managed to go to, get your pussy snowflake ass back to white suburbia.

If you indeed were assaulted as you say, chances are about 99% you were doing some really stupid shit that was illegal. Fuck, I’ve passed out on the street in Shanghai late at night, and local Chinese strangers made sure I got home with my wallet intact.

We could actually have a discussion about some of your points but not with the way you frame it. Sez China guy who lived in Mainland China for 15+ years including several years in the countryside in the 1980’s.

[DavidwithanR]

Taking one part seriously:

(I’m remembering something I’ve read, and I can’t cite it because I can’t remember where it came from.)

Chinese tend to be very blunt to the point of what Americans consider rudeness, and so do Russians. Both China and Russia have (or had) Big Brother style governments where saying the wrong thing to the wrong person could get you convicted without a trial and sentenced without a reason. I think many Chinese and Russians resort to this brutal honesty exactly because of the brutal DIShonesty of their governments.