Why does everyone (critics especially) seem to hate "Independence Day"

I don’t see anyone insisting on “scientific integrity to the minutia.” Anyone who’s had to struggle getting their computer to talk to their printer, even when both pieces of hardware come from the same manufacturer, is going to raise an eyebrow at Jeff Goldblum just up and plugging into an alien mothership using his PowerBook.

F/A-18

Sorry, I can’t help myself.

Yeah, it’s dumber than a box of rocks, but fun as hell.

When it came out it got such bad reviews that it never even crossed my mind to go see it. A couple years later I was sitting at my computer and had a tiny TV with a 5" screen on the desk next to me for monitoring purposes, and it came on cable. I wasn’t interested, but I left it on. I was soon fairly sucked in to the story, and ended up having a blast watching it. On a 5" screen. I kicked myself for missing it on the big screen just because of the reviewers. If it played in theaters again for the 15th or 20th anniversary, I’d go see it. Then again, maybe if I’d seen it at the time of release, the hype and such would have affected my opinion to the negative too.

My experience with ID4 is one of the reasons why I like seeing blockbusters on the big screen. I might regret seeing it, but I might regret not seeing it up close and large too.

Reminds me I have to go see Transformers 2 before it leaves the theaters.

A lot of people seem to find the idea of defeating the aliens with a computer virus to be silly. I loved it though, it’s very watchable if you don’t get picky about such things, and there’s lots of ass kicking and blowing up of major landmarks and inspiring speeches.

It also suffered from the “who is that actor” problem. When you spend your time wondering where you’ve seen that guy before - breaks the illusion. You can jump quickly into Will Smith or Jeff Goldblum’s character…but since nearly every minor character was “I know that guy!” I spent way too much time trying to figure out where I knew Brent Spiner from.

What irritated me the most was when the alien spaceships appeared above all sorts of major landmarks around the world - except Africa, there it appears above Mt Kilimanjaro, because we all know there’s nothing in Africa except some mountains and a handful of semi-naked tribesmen who appear shaking their spears when the spaceships are destroyed. :mad:

nevermind

Dude, it’s a Mac. It just works. Or so I’m told.

-Joe

One criticism I remember reading about the movie had to do with the big ships. Someone wrote that with a ship 15 miles in diameter, anything it hovers over would have been flattened by the atmospheric pressure. Is that true? The ships were moving pretty slowly, why wouldn’t any air beneath it simply whooshed off to the side?

If I remember correctly, the criticism is that regardless of what method the ship is using to keep itself hovering (rocket motors, giant fans, etc.), it still must generate downward force beneath it equal to it’s own weight in order to remain at a stable altitude. Therefore, anything directly beneath the ship would be affected by it hovering overhead essentially the same way it would by having the ship resting directly on top of it.

Not if the ships were HANGING from the feet of the INVISIBLE GIANT ELEPHANTS that surround the earth, smarty-pants.

:smack:

Well, in my defense, I was an English major. I can’t be expected to understand advanced physics.

Eh, that can be easily waved away by positing some sort of anti-gravity device. The criticism I recall was someone pointing out that the mothership is described as being a quarter the size of our moon. A ship that big, that close to the Earth, wouldn’t have to dick around with energy beams. It’s gravity alone would tear us apart.

And that’s to say nothing of the effects of an artificial satellite that size blowing up anywhere near the planet would have on us. It’d be the Ewok Holocaust all over again.

Not to mention the minor problem of if you blow up something a few miles across that’s directly over what you want to protect…

Stellar Legs. Absolutely watchable.

Stellar Legs, band name?

It’s simple. When you watch ID4, you have to turn your brain off. The movie is lots of fun, with plentyo f one liners, and cool special effects. And big explosions.

just don’t think about the plot holes, or the really bad science, and you’re fine.

I liked the movie.

He does and in possibly the most minor nitpick about ID4 is that they call his fighter “Eagle One” instead of “Airforce One”. Also his First Lady was played by Mary McDonnell (the future Laura Roslin).

Two words: Randy Quaid

That’s my DAD!

Primer? Oh, you mean entertaining.