Fenris brought it up himself.
I bet if you drew a picture of this, they would look like one of the bad guys in a Jack Chick cartoon and would be saying “HAW HAW HAW!”
Wrong again. You kept bringing it up,coyly and I simply linked to the board you kept referencing. You’re the one who’s harping on it.
Yes, that’s what I refering to. When it was brought to the mods attention it was stopped in the other threads and they were instructed to start a pit thread.
I’m not sure the relevance here. People are allowed to post on other boards. Everyone here is encouraged to report any posts he or she thinks may be inappropriate.
The problem is the loaded question.
First you have to figure out what would be considered “cyber-bullying”, then whether or not it’s OK to do.
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This applies to everyone else in this thread as well. Complaints about what happens on another message board do not belong here in ATMB.
We’ve already figured out what cyber bullying is. Hint: it ain’t what the OP thinks it is.
That’s still not really a comparable situation. The issue some people have with Broomstick arose on this board. Posters have been enjoined from discussing their problem with her in all areas of the board, save the one area specifically set aside for dealing with interpersonal conflicts - and even there, the complaints have largely been confined to a single, easily identifiable thread. To the extent of our knowledge, the only other place this is being talked about at all is a messageboard over which we have no control, and where, AFAIK, Broomstick has never posted.* All Broomstick needs to do to avoid the people “bullying” her is avoid a messageboard that she doesn’t post to in the first place, and a single thread on this board.
Zoe Quinn and the other women targeted by Gamer’s Gate were attacked in every online venue in which they participated, as well as at public appearances in real life, in their homes, and in the homes of their friends and families. The harassment was constant and omnipresent, and could not be escaped short of a radical limiting of the victim’s social lives and careers.
Comparing the two as if they were in any way equal is doing a great disservice to the suffering experienced by Quinn, Sarkeesian, and others, and to the entire concept of online harassment and stalking.
*At least, not under the same screen name she uses here.
Miller said everything that needs to be said much better than I could.
However, that doesn’t mean I won’t try.
The word “simple” means something. For the people you describe there is no simple way to avoid the bullying without unreasonably restricting themselves. For Broomstick, it means not clicking one thread and continuing to not visit the board she doesn’t visit.
So if your enemy doesn’t have to read something, it’s pretty much OK to say anything about them. Like, the entire internet.
Well, there’s lots of words to describe the behavior: rude, classless, unkind, ugly etc. The issue is whether it’s bullying. I would think a critical component to someone being bullied is knowing it’s happening.
Indeed. If you can’t recognize that a group of idiots is stalking you and trying to get under your skin, it’s not a problem.
But that doesn’t help in this case. If some posting behavior is considered “being a bully”, on the boards, then it breaks the prime directive here.
Don’t be a jerk.
DrDeth, before you spend any more time complaining about the people who participate in snark threads on other boards, might I respectfully suggest you brush up on your bible reading.
Specifically, please review John 8:7. You know, the part where Jesus says “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
But the Pit is where being a jerk is within the rules. The Pit is a “Neutral Zone” where the “Prime Directive” does not apply.
Seriously?
I have never posted on “The Other Board” under any screen name whatsoever, nor do I have any intention of ever visiting someplace where it’s pretty evident I’m not welcome. Just in case anyone was wondering.
No, Trinopus has it completely wrong.
The Neutral Zone is a buffer between the Federation and the Romulans, where ships from both nations are forbidden from traveling by treaty. The Prime Directive is an internal law of the Federation, and applies to Federation personnel no matter where they might be, even if they’re violating some other law, such as entering the Neutral Zone.
On the other hand, she’s absolutely correct about the nature of the Pit. Were you genuinely unaware of this? Why else do you think your global warming thread’s been allowed to go on for so long?
…I’ve been very much involved in the gamergate debate off board: so your lecture on what gamergate is is entirely unnecessary. It was an analogy, and it wasn’t to compare the scale of any alleged bullying (which I’m sure everyone agrees if bullying is going on here, it is no where near the scale of what Quinn and others are going through) but to combat IvoryTowerDenizen’s assertion that “since one CAN simply remove themselves it does not rise to the level of bullying.” That assertion is nonsense and was not specific to Broomstick. Bullying is the act: not the response. And as has already been pointed out: you are talking about a situation that happened after the “bullying” had taken place, not before it.
And to the point that you bought up: Zoe Quinn has started an initiative called Crash Override, and she has partnered with Randi Harper to form the Online Abuse Prevention Initiative. I’m pretty sure they don’t really care at what scale abuse/bullying is happening: so while you might think its a “disservice” to bring it up in this thread, I’m pretty sure that they would not consider it a disservice at all. Bullying is, after all, part of what they are fighting against.
It’s a disservice to bring up because calling someone a liar in the Pit isn’t bullying. Full stop. Otherwise you’re saying everyone who has ever been pitted is a bullying victim. Is that your argument? If I get pitted, should I contact the Online Abuse Prevention Initiative? “There are a bunch of meany-heads over here who don’t believe my stories! Save me from these bullies!”
Yeah, I’d say it’s a disservice to the victims of real online bullying.
…who is claiming “calling someone a liar” in the pit is bullying? It certainly wasn’t me. If you want to know what my argument was, why don’t you simply read my post? It is right above your post, you can hardly miss it.
The accusation is that a group of posters gathered together on another messageboard, decided to target a poster here, then proceeded to follow them from thread to thread harassing them until the mods put a stop to it. Does it really matter if that other board is the Giraffeboard or 8 chan?