The OP of this thread?
Is that what you think this thread is about? Because no one is arguing that that’s okay. That’s why we put a stop to it. And to my knowledge, that was the end of it outside the Pit. And that is what this thread is about. Not the posts in IMHO. It’s about the Pit thread that was started after the moderation stepped in. That is what’s being called bullying.
:: reads the OP of the thread ::
…nope. Not him.
Well duh. Of course you put a stop to it. You just quoted me saying you put a stop to it. I’m well aware you put a stop to it. I was addressing IvoryTowerDenizen’s post.
After this thread was started. And the harassment extended into this exact thread as well. Have you actually read this thread?
SJL4041 was addressing my post: not this thread.
[QUOTE=Banquet Bear]
The accusation is that a group of posters gathered together on another messageboard, decided to target a poster here, then proceeded to follow them from thread to thread harassing them until the mods put a stop to it.
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Well, that’s what Broomstick claims happened. Do we have any evidence that, besides the original thread where the warning was given, that Broomstick was harassed in any other non-Pit thread?
…you are perfectly aware that providing said evidence would breach the guidelines the moderators have set here. So feel free to disbelieve. I won’t hold it against you.
There was more than that going on in the thread. From the get-go, the posters were gleefully kicking Broomstick around. Investigation, empathy and acknowledgment of reasonable social expectation were very much secondary concerns, as was fairness.
No it’s not the argument. But I agree that this pit thread, in my view, isn’t especially egregious, at least what I’ve read in it. Former poster Der Trihs received far worse pittings by this board’s membership including -er- myself.
Revisiting civility standards now and then isn’t a bad thing. I don’t see much scope for mod action in this case, but it seems fair to call out behavior that is, “…rude, classless, unkind, ugly” as well as petty, etc. Speaking generally and in the appropriate venues. Is the referenced pit thread bullying? According to broad definitions of course it is. According to broad definitions I bullied Der in the pit. By narrow definitions it isn’t remotely bullying. Still, intimidating others for sport isn’t nice and reflects on the character of the enthusiast.
Right?
I’m glad we can work with this example incidentally: Broomstick is handling it maturely and appropriately so we can discuss the issue with some level of abstraction.
Banquet Bear: Check out these wiki links. I haven’t located any evidence that these organizations are concerning themselves with milder online intimidation. Crash Override for example, “…is a pro bono support group for victims of large scale online abuse, including revenge porn and doxing.” Holy crap, that’s instaban stuff on this board, very different.
First of all, I didn’t know that was the case. Can we really not link to other threads in ATMB? Secondly, I submit that there are no threads to link to. She was harassed, the person got a warning, and then everyone convened in the Pit, where it was, to be fair, a bit of a pile on. But she was not harassed in any other thread. Prove me wrong. You can’t because it didn’t happen.
And I’m sure you’re perfectly aware that you could be making a wildly exaggerated claim of collaberation because you’re not allowed to provide a link for evidence.
…all I’m saying is that I don’t believe that Zoe Quinn would not consider it a disservice to be used in an analogy here in this thread: especially as we were talking about online bullying.
…what part of “So feel free to disbelieve. I won’t hold it against you” did you have trouble understanding?
I don’t buy that we can’t link to examples of harassment in ATMB. We’re discussing whether harassment is okay on this message board. Any examples would be clearly within the bailiwick of ATMB. Banquet Bear has no examples because they don’t exist.
…I thought you had been following this thread.
What happens on other boards is not our concern.
As I said: feel free to disbelieve. I won’t hold it against you.
But lets for a minute pretend that the scenario that I described did actually happen. If it did, would it be correct to characterize the behaviour of those conducting the harassment as bullying?
Oh, I thought you were asking about the alleged “collaboration.”
Obviously I am allowed to link to other posts here, but I’m not entirely sure why I would want too. You didn’t really ask politely. And you’ve been very snarky in all your responses to me. And I was quite clear that when I said that “The accusation is that” that this was only an accusation, and not gospel 100% truth to my knowledge. So as I said: feel free to not believe.
First of all, let me be clear I am only talking about this board. I asked you for evidence that Broomstick was followed around from thread to thread and harassed. Now you admit you don’t have any. Thank you. If you find any, please alert me and I’ll offer you a much more gracious mea culpa than you provided above.
As reader of both boards I don’t believe this is true. Nor do I think Broomstick is hated or reviled there. She is being mocked for some of her more outrageous claims in one thread, in one forum. That board has a lot more forums than this one. If you brought this issue up in one of the equivalent ‘general questions’ or ‘cafe society’ (for example) I bet no one would even know what you are talking about. The notion that that board is a haven for doper-haters is ridiculous.
Now snackers on the other hand…
…I never admitted nothing and I wish you would stop claiming I’m saying things that I’m not. There is no need for me to either be gracious nor issue a mea culpa.
But if you are determined to raise your hands in victory then go ahead. I’m sure you need it more than me. And welcome to this message board.
I don’t have any interest in “declaring victory.” I simply want to establish the facts of what happened. How can we discuss whether this is truly a case of cyberbullying if we don’t first determine who said what when? It’s silly to just accept an accusation at face value when it’s trivially easy to link to posts and know for certain what happened.
For fuck’s sake: for people who seem to think that the Giraffe boards are some haven for planning attacks on this place – have you ever freaking VISITED the place? It’s just another message board. Yes, there’s a forum for SDMB snark and gossip. Mostly because the two boards overlap, and people tend to talk about what goes on. It’s contained in one area. I don’t see how it’s any different from bitching with YOUR friends about your coworkers, or your in-laws.
The rules are a bit more relaxed, but that’s about it. God, it’s not like the SnarkPit. It’s more like Fathom, or Unaboards.
Well, kinda. You’ve never gossiped about anyone with your friends? Ever? It’s kinda like that. :dubious:
That depends on if you’re doing it “for sport”. :dubious:
If you’re looking for “investigation, empathy and acknowledgment of reasonable social expectation”, you ain’t gonna find it in the Pit. Flaming people and calling them out is allowed. You don’t like that, it’s your right. But calling for “civility” is pointless, since the very PURPOSE of the forum is that well, you don’t have to BE civil. You can be a dick if you want. (Well, within reason, of course)
I gave what I thought was evidence of that to the moderators, which is the appropriate thing to do, rather than drag it onto the message board. There’d be a bit less drama around here if people would do that when when they an issue with another poster rather than attempting to control the board themselves.
Whether or not the moderators thought that constituted evidence, or made their decision(s) based on something else, they haven’t told me.
Things I have learned in this thread: 1) a bunch of people calling bullshit on broomstick’s stories on some other board that she doesn’t even read constitutes “harrassment.” 2) saying the same stuff in a pit thread here constitutes “intimidation.” 3) doubting her stories in any way is considered a “hate crime.”
ETA: oops, I accidentally inserted one extra ludicrous claim that I just made up out of thin air, but now I can’t tell which is which.
I gotta hand it to the “It’s bullying” crowd. Most people quite digging once they hit China.
Yeah!
No strap-ons.