Quit not quite.
Stop bullying that guy you just quoted! :mad:
So then, you do not approve of this thread?
But we’re discussing the incident at length, here. The moderators have already weighed in. If you have some sort of evidence of harassment (again, outside of the original warning and pit thread) why don’t you show us? You made this accusation, in this very thread, in post 218:
Honestly, I’m asking you, can you back this up? Can you link to even one post that corroborates this? Can anyone? I don’t think it’s fair to make a wild accusation of harassment and then play coy when asked for evidence.
A (mostly) civilized discussion of what does and doesn’t constitute cyber-bullying and whether or not it’s tolerated here? Nope, no problem with that.
Situations where one poster’s dislike for another is what is being posted rather than posts relevant to the actual thread at hand? Nope, don’t care for that. On the other hand I wouldn’t want to see the moderators get so extreme about dealing with it that it quashes actual discussion.
If you think a poster is doing something wrong or against the rules you are supposed to take it to the mods. Discussing whether or not you think the mods make good decisions/act well is a different matter.
Yes, I can back it up but I don’t think that is the appropriate thing to do. I’ve been here 14 years, in that time when I’ve had an issue with what a poster said/did/promotes I’ve taken it to the moderators, why should I change now?
Also keep in mind that I am NOT the person who seems most outraged by this. At best, I was experiencing some harassment. I, personally, would not call what actually occurred “bullying”.
I have already stated that I am satisfied with how the mods have handled the situation. I see no reason to extend that particular discussion any further. Especially not when the mods have already moderated this thread and requested it be more of a meta-discussion of the issue of harassment rather than about a particular incident.
I did link to a thread I gave as an example of a pile-on of another poster as a point that this sort of thing has occurred not just to myself but also others. Hence, I was not surprised when the mods initially allowed a similar level of harassment towards me, it was only when it started to escalate beyond that that they took action. I referenced an incident with another poster where a person was actively encouraging a suicidal person to kill herself which I would offer as a case of bullying - but I can’t link to that because that thread has been made to entirely disappear. That’s an example that the mods will act, even if not as promptly as some would like.
This thread, while about me on a certain level, should not be JUST about me. I think it would be far more illuminating if people would give other examples of harassment/bullying (as they see it) if they’re going to argue it’s tolerated, or argue for a different policy than what has been in play for well over a decade now.
People will dislike other people and express that. That is not inherently bullying or harassment. Actually following someone around on a message board to express dislike rather than discuss the topic at hand is some sort of harassment, but it would have to be extreme to be bullying. If internet harassment has real life effects - interferes with employment, or encourages someone to kill themself, yes, I would call that bullying.
I already posted several pages ago (and days ago) that this happened.
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Why is this still being brought up when it has been confirmed by a moderator?
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Why are you posting this in ATMB? As I said before, questions about a poster’s truthfulness belong in the Pit. If you have a problem with Broomstick, take it to the Pit or face a warning for your posts here.
Look up the definition of bullying. Then post an apology to me.
I did a search on your name and found post #119, where you essentially say the same thing as Broomstick. I missed that post, for which I apologize. But…is there a forum where it would be appropriate for me to ask to see the evidence behind your post? The Pit? I guess I don’t know where to post since you’ve told me not to post it here.
As for why I was posting in ATMB, I was simply responding to a post in this very thread. I will take any future posts on this topic to the Pit. My apologies.
well, I guess it’s settled then.
:rolleyes:
This thread is now bullying the bullies for bullying people who have bullied other bullies in the past for their bullying bullies.
I’m sure that a criticism of one’s behavior feels like a criticism of one as a person. However, Broomstick, you keep casting this as “people who don’t like me.” First, there’s essentially nothing in the Pit thread or in the Giraffe discussion that has anything to do with whether people like you or not. Secondly, that feels like an effort to gain sympathy while avoiding the real issue that people are actually talking about - chronically telling tall tales.
Further, since people aren’t even being mean about it (other than mocking the tall-tale telling), the whole charge of bullying is bullshit. You can’t have bullying without meanness.
That’s what she said!
Bwahahahaha!
Seriously? That’s the best you can do? “Look it up?” If that’s the kind of cutting, incisive debating that you’ve been doing in the “Stupid Liberal Ideas” thread, then I understand why you’re all traumatized. Hint: “Not being able to coherently explain one’s position”!=“bullying”
And regarding the apology: Heh, no.
As an aside; if the answer to ALL of a person’s problems with so-called bullying can resolved by “Don’t read that single thread or two on that single message board on the whole of the entire internet which is just one activity in the ENTIRE WORLD”, then that person needs to put on one’s big boy/girl pants and learn to grow a skin.
Obviously, not everyone trusts the moderators.
As I have repeatedly stated, I have never read the Pit thread and don’t intend to. My knowledge is entirely second hand. As I have repeatedly said, I know no more of the Giraffe board than what I saw in a Google search, which was just one thread, and what I saw there makes me inclined to think I would fit in there or be welcome, therefore, I have never read anything more nor do I intend to. I don’t know why people seem convinced that I am reading those things when 1) I have stated I am not and 2) they have repeatedly said I seem to have no clue what they’re about - well, gee, maybe because I’ve never been there?
Several people have stated that if you don’t like a thread don’t go there. Yay, I fully approve of that sentiment which is why I’ve never opened the Pit thread about me. Yet they seem disbelieving someone would actually put that into practice. Why? Isn’t that what you want to happen?
Please link to the post in this thread where I, me personally, calls what happened “bullying”. Other people have called it that, I did not.
Yes, I was feeling somewhat harassed, I took the matter to the moderators. As I have repeatedly said, I am satisfied with the outcome and will defend the right for people to say whatever the hell they want in the Pit, about anyone, so long as they conform to the few rules that exist there.
Please stop conflating what I say with what others say about me, on my behalf, in paraphrase, or through their own interpretations. Other people are not happy with what occurred, and are not happy with how it was handled. That is their prerogative.
Whether you’re reading those things or not is irrelevant, no matter how repeatedly you assert it. You keep saying that the issue is people not liking you. I don’t care where or how you came by that position. It’s not what anyone but you is talking about.
I wouldn’t know, because I don’t give a shit what you read. Your focus on whether or not people like you, rather than on your chronic lying, is a distraction.
I’m not conflating anything. That comment was general in nature, and was directed at anyone who does refer to this as bullying. I do see that this distinction was not particularly clear in my post.
By definition you have to have some sort of power over, or use a threat, to actually force somebody to be afraid, do something, or to take something that isn’t yours. In essence, a bully assaults, threatens, or harasses another person. (and in the real world commits battery, theft and possibly other crimes as well)
On the internet written word forum, it’s more like “be an insulting jerk with no manners or grace”, which of course the forum does endorse, as long as you do it under the rules.
But it’s not really being a bully here, since the people doing it have no power at all.
Why do you keep repeatedly demanding that someone provide you with this “evidence,” especially since people have said they don’t think it’s appropriate to share such links in this thread? You could find examples all by yourself in about 2 seconds if you bothered to try.
You’re definitely not bolstering your position by suggesting that nobody really took potshots at Broomstick in more than the one thread. Mods confirmed that it happened and there are links in the Pit thread, or you could use the search function and you’ll find what you want.
(There was no deliberate campaign to target Broomstick, and I personally don’t think a few potshots rises to the level of “harassment,” but that’s neither here nor there.)
And that accusation is utterly ridiclous. That is easily demonstrated by just reading the Giraffe Board thread in question.
I fully understand why Broomstick chose not to read that thread or the Pit thread but there is no excuse for anybody else to throw false accusations around. Just go look at the threads.
And just for the record: Broomstick, as you probably know by now, I started the Pit thread. I’m glad that you don’t consider the pit thread “cyberbullying,” and I really wish so many others in this thread would follow your lead. It was bugging me that people were taking potshots at you in various unrelated threads, and as I said before, I started the Pit thread in part because I wanted to provide an appropriate outlet. It seems to have worked.
Many people in this thread have pointed out that it was a relatively mild pitting, and that is because I was pitting the one particular issue, not you as a person, and the thread continued in that vein. I’ve gotten no sense that anybody here or on the Giraffe Board actually dislikes you or has bad wishes for you, including me.
I like you. I think you’re a great writer and an interesting person with a good heart. I respect your ability to take care of yourself and those around you and to roll with the punches. You’ve made many many valuable contributions to this board over the years which I fully appreciate, and you’ve handled this whole situation with a remarkable amount of dignity. That all probably means nothing to you, but I wanted to say it anyway.
As for the rest of you - Get your facts straight. You just sound ridiculous.
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
That’s my take on it too. No one has attacked Broomstick as a person. Some have attacked her propensity to “embellish” though, others, have taken the “no blood no foul if it’s entertaining” approach to it. It’s really minor regardless.
Absolutely, what happens there is none of our business-* as long as it stays there*. When it comes over here, it becomes under the control of the SDMB. That’s the issue.