I didn’t deny writing that. I asked you why you clipped off the front of my quote, where I disparaged Demoracts.
And now I’ve asked you twice.
You’ve already been answered.
Why did you employ a racist stereotype to disparage me?
Regards,
Shodan
This is out of line for this forum. Let’s dial the outrage back and remember you’re not in the Pit.
Furthermore, I’m moving this topic to Great Debates since it’s definitely evolved into that, seemingly.
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No, you didn’t answer why you clipped my quote. You only quoted the anti-Republican part. And then you quoted it, and only it again; and again. Everyone who has read our exchange understand this.
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How is hiring an illigal alien a “racist” stereotype? Hispanic, Black, Asian, White Americans all hire illegal immigrants. It’s an anti-conservative steroptype (and not an across-the-board one, since lower-middle-class Republican voters don’t hire illegals by and large; while wealthy and upper-middle-class Repubicans do. The GOP hasn’t figured out the equivalent of the Black vs White Southern Strategy on the issue yet.)
You won’t come up with an answer that dispels everyone’s understanding that you clipped the Democrats from my quote to feed your Republican persecution complex, and then you call “racism” in a non-existant context for the same reason. Shodan, you have not addressed, only deflected.
But, since we’re playing by “welcoming of Liberals” Fox News rules, I’ll let you cut off my mike, play my edited sound bite over and over, and let you win this thread
(since you seem to lose all the others)
I started coming here because of the tv show almost a decade ago, I have no idea what brought the rest of you and why liberals are better represented. I could posit a theory, but I’m capable of enough self reflection to see confirmation bias.
I’m sure you had something in mind when you said “Lean Democrat. Fuck them…”, but to me it’s nonsensical. Fuck whom? Fuck the Democrats, Fuck the leaners? Fuck the board for leaning Democrat?
I didn’t think clipping that off altered your quote because it didn’t make much sense.
That’s my 2 cents.
What he was saying was ‘never mind the Democrats - I don’t lean towards them. I just hate Republicans’. Because he thinks they are liars and bullies and so forth. He apparently also thinks that illegal immigrants are either dishonest or incompetent, and only good for cleaning toilets and lying.
Which is unfortunate, but (as I mentioned) amusing in a way.
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You won’t come up with an answer that dispels everyone’s understanding that you clipped the Democrats from my quote to feed your Republican persecution complex…
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I don’t need to. “Everyone” doesn’t think that.
It isn’t. Saying that, because a post is dishonest, it must have been posted by an illegal immigrant, is a racist stereotype.
Regards,
Shodan
And which race is being stereotyped in this particular case?
Pretty sure I’ve never before sided with Shodan against anyone about anything before, but… there wasn’t any meaningful misquoting or taking out of context as far as I can tell.
Well, you have me dead-to-rights, no arguing with the intellectual honesty of the right-wing position.
Which would make their inability to come up with a cogent and workable definition of Libertarianism even more frustrating! 
As for this larger discussion, it’s very tired. It inevitably rings of persecution complexes and hollow charges of bias. I will say this, though. It’s very important to recognize the differences between:
- being a conservative
- expressing conservative views
- repeating conservative talking points
- working tirelessly to advance a Republican political agenda that consistently has you engaging in partisan pedantic pettifoggery
One would do well to try to step back and engage in enough self-reflection to distinguish whether one’s treatment here is a function of #1 or #4.
Just as a fer-instance, let’s take an inherently non-political discussion about a judge taking a belt and whipping the shit out of an adolescent girl (who may have had developmental difficulties) because she violated her computer use privileges.
If you note that the judge was a Republican, and you take the tack in the discussion of suggesting that these kids these days know how to subvert computer protection software and how to fuck with their system BIOS…
…the hostility you experience as a result is not because you are a conservative.
It’s because you’re trying to exculpate a grown man who violently whipped an adolescent girl due to the fact that he happened to be a Republican.
Is that an actual example of what some 'doper did, or is it purely hypothetical? You don’t have to link to the discussion, just curious if you made it up to make a point or if it’s based on a real discussion.
Ignorance is present in both sides of the political debate in America, but it is more *necessary *on the Republican side.
Global warming, creationism, conspiracy theories, magical economic thinking, codifying religious views into law are some examples I can think of off the top of my head.
If ignorance is more central to the right, a board that fights it will over-represent the left. Maybe in 20 years it will flip, but right now, much of rightward thought is drivel.
Let me say that my point was more about the larger issue that we develop reputations here, and while one may perceive their treatment here as harsh and unfair and based solely on being a member of an “outgroup,” it may alternately be that people are instead really just sick of your shit.
So, I’d rather not rehash the particular incident, but yes, that was a real example. Of course, it’s likely that that particular person might differ as to whether they were motivated by the political orientation of the judge in that circumstance or not, but over time you come to see where people invest their energies in debates and where they don’t.
I have no doubt that some people roll their eyes when they see a post from me. I don’t assume that they are antagonistic towards me because of any political affiliation I have, though.
ETA: I’m reminded of a guy I knew who had a really unpleasant disposition and off-putting personality. He was bothered by the fact that people really didn’t take to him. As a result, he started wearing a hat around that said “Fuck You” on it. This allowed him to blame the hat for people’s negative reaction to him.
Ok, thanks…was just curious.
I’m pretty conservative in some regards and very liberal in others.
I don’t discuss my conservative views here. It isn’t worthwhile.
It’s still a great board, though and I like it here.
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You look at those titles and see that? Really?
I count 5 of those titles that are clearly disdainful to Democrats and liberals as groups. And only 3 that are clearly disdainful to Republicans and conservatives as groups.
Given that the board is more heavily populated by those with democratic and liberal leanings (per the premise of the op) that ratio should be reversed at least. If anything you have proven the exact opposite. Going by what you have collected Democratic and liberal posters are significantly less likely to post thread titles that disparage Republicans and conservatives as a group than are Republican and conservative posters here.
In fact of threads that have “liberal” or “Democrat” in their titles 83% are clearly disdainful of the group. Of those with “conservative” or “Republican” in the title only 20% are clearly disdainful of the group. (That gives credit for being disdainful of a specific state Republican party organization. A stretch.) Most are critical of an individual (e.g. Rand Paul, or Rush) or raising points of debate without disdain. (Should Obama target GOP districts, what is the motivation regarding going after Susan Rice, etc.)
So based on your collected data I was wrong: conservative posters here are more likely to be disdainful of liberals and Democrats as groups than the other way around; it is not as equal as I had thought it would be.
It’s a good way to test your views out, since someone on this board is bound to pick it apart and you can see what, if any holes there are in it. That’s the main reason I love engaging in debate here wrt politics, as it challenges my preconceptions and views and sometimes gives me insights into how others think, especially on the left. I think that the lefties on this board (the saner ones) have some very interesting views and are highly intelligent, so I always get a lot out of the discussions even when I don’t agree with the folks I’m discussing things with.
The down side is that there are a lot of knee jerk lefties here who just lash out at anything they think is conservative. I can remember being repeatedly attacked during the Bush years with assumptions that because I’m a ‘conservative’ (their label, not mine) I MUST agree in lock step with everything Bush ever said, despite the fact I loathed the man and didn’t vote for him. It was a knee jerk strawman attack that was repeatedly used as if this would simply win the debate. Thankfully, the really loony lefties are few in number, and generally fall into the Usual Suspects categories. The unfortunate thing is that they aren’t often stepped on to the same degree as the loony righties are here, since the fit in better with the overall corporate culture of this board. I generally think that most of the more sane lefties here just roll their eyes or ignore the lunatics in their midst on this board, but they rarely go out of their way to step on them, while the pile on factor is definitely visible when it’s a righty saying loony stuff.
In the thread on that topic, the word “conservative” occurs solely in association with a single poster, OMG A Black Conservative. Its first appearance is in post #279. The word “Republican” appears only once, also in dialog with that poster (link with highlighting for your convenience).
(bolding mine)…and this is why conservatives/Republicans don’t feel welcome here. For as closed-minded as some on the right can be there are just as many on the left. So much of the “debate” that occurs here is on par with the old SNL “Point/Counterpoint”. I’m just waiting for the “Jane, you ignorant slut” and “Dan, you pompous ass.” Substitute the names for your favorite Dopers.
Boy, I could swear I’ve seen this interaction on here a time or two.
I remember doing debates in Speech Team in high school. You debated on facts, figures, statistics* and had sources to back up your side. On this board a conservative is already hobbled before he gets out of gate because his opponent won’t even begin to entertain the concept that maybe, just maybe, his opponent might have a relevant point to make.
*Yes, I know there are ”lies, damn lies and statistics”