There is a question in General Questions from a guy who wants to improve his pot smoking technique and there are responses from a bunch of his POT-LOVING friends telling him exactly how to do it. So tell me why this is even tolerated, you know it is 100% ILLEGAL to keep pot and smoke it everywhere in this country. And noone is fooling anyone with “my friend said” business. But does this board step up and stop it? No. Why not??? You are aiding CRIMINALS by your silnce.
Golly—if you hate pot that much, what are you doing on Avenue B, dude?
Maybe AvenueB, because a lot of us think the War on Drugs and legislation pertaining to it is downright immoral and unConstitutional.
You’ve gotten your panties in a knot over this before. Are you still determined to portray yourself as a puckered up, humorless, ready-to-sell-your-grandmother-to-the-DEA-for-growing-hemp facist? Cause you’re doing a bang up job of it.
Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
As I stated in the original thread http://boards.straightdope.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006666.html the OP did not ask how to improve his pot smoking technique. That being said, I know of at least one poster to this MB who hails from a country where smoking pot is legal. Not to mention that it is not “100% illegal” here- there are at least 12 people who receive legal marijuana from the gov’t for health reasons.
You also asked why, when someone asked for help cheating on a test, people were indignant yet they are passive on this issue. I think most of these posters make a distinction between legality and ethics- cheating on a test may be legal, but it sure isn’t ethical. Smoking pot may be illegal but most do not consider it unethical (but may consider it deplorable). I’m also not sure how you want the “board” to stop “it”.
As for me, I’m going home to fire up Napster and the crackpipe before I see if I won any $$$ in the NCAA tourney, ya puritan puke.
Maybe because all the nice places in the West Sixties were taken, or maybe because I cant afford much more than this for now, I go to NYU and have pretty much no money.
BUT living down here lets me see EXACTLY what pot smoking leads to and I guaranty you that all the shit that happens in my little hellhole of the city is based first and foremost because of DRUGS. You want to know how bad the drug problem is, come down and visit me for a few days, you wont have any doubts afterwards.
Avenue B,
Do you seriously think that any of the “my friend said” stuff was to be taken seriously?
I urge you to break out a dictionary and look up the word joke.
By the way I think I remember an ancestor of yours on the mid 19th century steam-net who said, “Why does this board tolerate posts advocating hiding escaped slaves? don’t they realize this activity is illegal?”
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AvenueB, we must all come to realize sooner or later that arguing with potheads is the definition of futile. You’re better off just ramming your head into a wall a few times (in fact, they’re probably better off doing that too, but that’s a different story).
For instance, they have a tendency to liken drug use to things like slavery, segregation, and other mistakes our society has made in the past (I am not in any way implying that Mr. Borgia is a pothead). They rarely if ever realize how absurd that is. They also never look at the big picture, ignoring the situations of others and preferring to just legislate based on their own particular circumstance (I guess this makes sense when you consider the dynamics of addiction).
Also, they turn any drug-related thread into a debate over whether or not drugs should be illegal. You could put 10 disclaimers in the OP saying “Let’s have a discussion based on the incontrivertible fact that these drugs are illegal in the United States,” and I guarantee two out of the following three posts will say “yeah, but they shouldn’t be illegal.”
So there’s no point in trying, really. But people who use the internet to perpetrate, assist in, or otherwise facilitate illegal activities will have their day of reckoning pretty soon, believe me. People like this savor the “anonimity” that the Internet provides, but it’s not always going to be that way, and in fact, the Internet will end up working against anonimity, as there will be (is) a paper trail to every single thing you do online. So don’t give yourself an ulcer or anything now.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
You should try Downtown L.A. I swear someone tries to sell me some dope every day. (And I mean a different person each day.) I just say “No.” 
Yesterday, I saw someone put out a joint just before he boarded a bus. He was as casual about it as a tobaccco-smoker would’ve been. (There were no cops around, though. And I know the smell of pot. It was not a home-rolled tobacco cigarette, it was a joint.)
If you think pot-smoking leads to trouble, don’t do it. Besides, there are plenty of legal drugs to get one into trouble. Alcohol causes far more problems than all the illegal drugs combined.
No, it’s the draconian enforcement of drug laws. Make something illegal, it becomes more valuable to the criminal-minded. And it leads to the imprisonment of people who are harming no one but themselves. Investigate the Prohibition of alcohol in the 1920’s some time. The Mafia never would’ve gotten so rich and powerful without bootlegging. And the Kennedy clan would not have gotten so wealthy. (Not necessarily a bad thing; Robert Kennedy was a fine man. But you have to take the bad with the good.)
When all else fails, ask Cecil.
So, what exactly does pot smoking lead to? And does it produce that result universally? If that’s the case I guess all pot smokers become engineers after achieving a 3.75 GPA at their local public university. Doesn’t sound so bad to me.
Well, how about the fact that while it MAY be illegal to SMOKE pot everywhere in this country, it sure as SHIT is not illegal to TALK about it.
Well, take your pick-
a)Like I said above, it’s not illegal to talk about it, you dumb bastard.
b)Perhaps the admins of this board don’t wish to have their responsibilities dictated to them by someone with your rabid adherence to outdated and senseless laws.
c)There aren’t many people here who like you, and we’re all doing it to piss you off.
d)Breaking laws is fun.
And you’re championing IDIOCY with your diatribes.
For the record, I don’t smoke pot. I find it, along with all other outlawed drugs, to not be worth the money or the jail time this country’s puritanical laws attach to its use. But as long as Demo’s not pushing it to any of the schoolyard rugrats, there are no instruments available to modern science that can measure the small amount of piss I give if he uses it in his home, or with his friends.
And I will guarantee you this, you miserable little scab of a human being, I will fight to my last breath to defend his right to talk about it. This means, unfortunately, I’ll have to defend your right to spout off your fanatical attacks on things which, in the end, are none of your damn business, but that’s the beauty of the Bill of Rights. Fuckos like you luck out constantly.
Battles are won in nuance.
Your really an idiot, you know that? Your an actual, true, moron. Do you get government assistance in your group home?
Show me where in the Constitution it says that the government cant make drugs illegal. You show me that, and I’ll shut up about this whole issue. But you cant because it isn’t THERE!
Immoral. Well if I say its immoral, and you say “No it isnt”, who is right? How can we even tell? I have an idea. The LAW!! Yes I know its not always true that the law is moral but guess what? It should be up to YOU to show how the law is IMMORAL, we start out assuming it is. And you just have to look at the DESTRUCTION that drugs leave to realize they are completely immoral.
But why am I even bothering, like I said, your an IDIOT who can’t even read. I guess someone must read these posts to you huh? Because if you COULD read you would know what the Constitution says.
Rousseau,
I was not implying that slavery and drug laws are equivalent. I am merely saying that they are two sets of laws without rational foundation. Ethically, obviously the two differ by several orders of magnitude. Intellectually, I find them both bereft of reason.
Furthermore, due to mandatory minimum sentences and the like, Drug laws do cause a lot of misery, misery which gives off no social gain, unless you count police profits from property siezures to be a social gain. While the misery is nowhere near that caused by slavery, it is still very real.
Also, The point of the OP did not seem to be a rational debate on the pros and cons of drug legalization, but rather a bizarre complaint that this board tolerates messages about subjects that are (gasp!) illegal. The only point of the slavery analogy was to reinforce the point that just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it is wrong. In a board full of free-thinkers and individualists you are going to find people whose views of right and wrong diverge from the law, especially when it comes to a relativly benign area like pot smoking.
Finally, since you asked, I used to smoke a lot of pot, but when it started to have a deletirious effect on my social skills and other areas of my life, I quit.
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::whispering::
Psst, UncleBeer, don’t them know about all the engineers that smoked dope, dropped 'cid, did shrooms in college are now designing their bridges, airplanes, weapons systems, embedded processors etc.
A point in every direction is like no point at all
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk…AvenueB dude, your wannabe logical arguements are falling apart in the face of your anger.
To answer the OP, why should they? As has been eloquently pointed out, it’s not illegal to talk about anything.
What the hell do you care about what other people are doing anyways?
As I mentioned in the thread you are moaning about, if you don’t like the subject you are more than welcome not to click on it, and no one friggin twisted your arm to post there.
To borrow a quote from Wally (who puts it so well)
Putz
Carpe Jugulum
Of course I meant ‘that are now’ …
Damn flashbacks. Now back to that nuclear trigger redesign.
don’t let them know … Damnit
It’s a good thing weapons don’t run on good grammar.
And besides, I was pissed off at the self righteous assholes.
AvenueB,
I’ll tell you why not. Because this site is dedicated to fighting the kind of dangerous gross ignorance you and Rousseau are spewing.
You are confused. Don’t equate this site with THIS SITE.
You have a moral or legal problem with smoking plants?? Fine, don’t smoke them. You have a problem with the open-minded, intelligent discourse on this board? Fine, log off and spare us all your sheltered moral righteousness.
Yet to be reconciled with the reality of the dark for a moment, I go on wandering from dream to dream.
Frankly, (to paraphrase Stephen Hopkins, I think) I don’t think there is anything so dangerous that it can’t be talked about. But the OP does have a point about the administration of this board. I’ve seen a couple threads closed because specifics were given about how to break or circumvent the law. To shut down a thread on how to launder money and not shut one down about how to get the best effect from an illegal substance does indicate a lack of consistancy on the part of the moderators.
Do you know the difference between “your” and “you’re?”
Neither are a few apostrophes.
Mistakes emphasized.
Who starts out assuming a law is immoral?
You are an idiot who can’t write. I don’t know what courses you’re taking at NYU, but I bet you aren’t majoring in English.
He may need to. He may not be able to read “Idiotese.”
When all else fails, ask Cecil.
Dude, show me the part of this that the pot smoking thread in GQ violates (this is an excerpt from this board’s Acceptable Use Policy). I’ve bolded part of it in case, in your blind rage, you can only manage to skim it:
Now, if you want to go with the default option, “otherwise violative of any law,” be prepared to explain how people discussing pot smoking are violating the law. A cite to legal authority is strongly recommended, but in the alternative, I will accept a compelling argument that addresses not only this situation, but the failure of law enforcement to commence prosecutions of Hunter Thompson, based on his discussion of pot smoking in his books; Snoop Dogg, who sings about smoking pot; and Oliver Stone, who has directed films in which characters appear to smoke pot. Extra credit will be given if you can extend your argument to justify prosecution of the publishing, distribution, and retail operations involved in the above endeavors.
Oh hell, being condescending takes too long, so I’ll come right out and say it. Possession of a controlled substance is a crime. Talking about possessing a controlled substance is not.
A person does not “aid and abet” a crime merely by talking about it. First of all, there is no proof here that any crime has been committed. Besides their statements, you have no proof that anyone here has ever possessed or used any pot. Criminal jurisprudence generally does not allow a person to be convicted of a crime based solely on their own confession; some sort of corroborating evidence is almost always required. Second of all, even if people here were committing the crime of possessing of a controlled substance, you cannot point to any actions by “this board” that aid them in doing so. This board is not being used to facilitate the sale or distribution of pot. It is not being used to conceal illegal activity from law enforcement officials.
You’ve got a problem with people who use drugs? Feel free to start a “Drugs are bad” debate over in GD. But if you’re going to suggest that “This Board Tolerate[s] Illegal Activities,” you better have something more to back it up with than the fact that a few stoners are talking shop here.