Brown 1 lb ground beef or sausage.
Sautee 8-12 oz sliced mushrooms
Make 2 packages of Spatini acording to the directions ( Mix each with 1 can tomato paste and 1 1/2 c. water.)
Mix ground beef and mushrooms into sauce.
Layer in lasagna pan:
3 lasagna noodles ( cooked )
1 16 oz container of cottage or ricota cheese. ( I like cottage for some reason.)
1/2 of sauce mix.
3 more noodles ( cooked also )
1 package frozen spinach ( or fresh, in season-pre cooked) thawed and spread over noodles evenly.
rest of sauce mix.
12-16 oz mozzeralla cheese -grated
12-16 oz grated munster cheese.
sprinkle of parmasian cheese.
cook at 325 20 mins. or til “bubbly”
let sit 20-30 mins before serving.
I am quite well aware that I have made errors in grammar (among other things :o) on this board.
(I may organize a scavenger hunt: “Find all of jab1’s mistakes! First prize is whatever loose change I find on the bus in a week!”)
(For the humor-impaired, that was a joke.)
But the difference between AvenueB-dude and myself is that I appreciate being corrected. I don’t get all huffy and pissed and start flaming the person who took the time to correct me.
Unless he was rude. I suppose one could say that I was rude. If so, I deserved the flames.
(You all may now return to condemning or supporting people who only talk about drugs. But be careful you don’t deviate even one micrometer off-topic. It will upset poor Rousseau. He’s so sensitive about these things!)
OK I admit that I am not 100% sure of this. I think if you dont abuse alcohol then it should still be legal but your right about people starting with it and moving to other things so I just dont know.
Where is that written down? How do you know that? What is your proof? Just because you say that is the way to judge your right doesnt make it true.
You harm EVERYONE! First you harm yourself and give yourself increase risk of cancer and increased risk of doing other drugs and losing your job and ending up being on WELFARE, paid for by ME and anyone else who pays taxes. Also you create a MARKET for pot which means that the drug dealers get money and do better and buy more guns. Which they use to shoot each other over the best places to deal and some of those bullets hit other people. YOUR FAULT.
I already said that alcohol abuse should be illegal too.
OH MY GOD.
Like I said, you are hurting the entire country. The tax money would not make up for the millions of people who would be hurt by the drug, right now we have tax money on cigarettes and people are still dying of lung cancer!!!
And if you want reasoned debate here it is: why does this board help people to break the law by giving them instructions on how to smoke pot better? Even if you say pot should be legal the fact is it isnt. The board stopped people from talking about money laundering so dont give me your shit about how just talking isnt a crime.
I may suggest at least two categories of trolling. The completely baseless and idiotic contributions of Masterson, for example, are different than the ill-informed and logic-impaired posts of AvenueB.
I suspect AvenueB believes in his topic, and seeks, however ineptly, to persuade others. As such, I don’t know that he’s a troll in the classic sense.
But what to call someone who will not listen to reasoned argument, but instead continues his rhetoric seemingly without notice of what anyone else is even saying?
Brownies:Take 1 teaspoon black peppercorns, 1 whole nutmeg, 4 average sticks of cinnamon, 1 teaspoon coriander. These should all be pulverized in a mortar. About a handful each of stone dates, dried figs, shelled almonds and peanuts: chop these and mix them together. A bunch of canibus sativa can be pulverized. This along with the spices should be dusted over the mixed fruit and nuts, kneaded together. About a cup of sugar dissolved in a big pat of butter. Rolled into a cake and cut into pieces or made into balls about the size of a walnut, it should be eaten with care. Two pieces are quite sufficient. Obtaining the canibus may present certain difficulties… It should be picked and dried as soon as it has gone to seed and while the plant is still green."
And Damn this inacurate grammer of mine!
hehehe
Okay, you guys want to discuss whether or not pot should be legal in this country? Fine. Let’s discuss.
In my experience, the Straight Dope is home to the straightest collection of dopers in all of Christendom. Every thread on this topic is innervated with people who say “I smoke pot and I’m an astrophysicist!” “My friend smokes pot and he graduated with honors from my local state university!” “I know people who smoke pot who just made a truck full of pot money on their internet IPO!”
These things may very well be true (they may very well not, but let’s not go down that road). If in fact they are, then my problem with these people is that they fail to see beyond their own situation. They can’t imagine a pot smoker who isn’t a model citizen…they just assume that all potheads are like them. Now, I’ve run across my share of potheads (my taste in music tends to run concurrent with theirs), and I will admit that I’ve met a number that are perfectly respectable. But I’ve also met a lot that aren’t. So if you’re going to have an enlightened discussion on this topic, you can’t make generalizations either way. But the way I look at it is that the laws have to be made with respect to the irresponsible ones, instead of to the responsible ones. For instance, if everybody in the nation was as good and responsible a driver as I am, we wouldn’t need speed limits. And many people are as good or better, as responsible or more, than me. But we have to have speed limits because there are a lot of people who aren’t. Even if good and responsible drivers are in the majority, we still need speed limits to protect everybody from the irresponsible ones (including themselves).
In my opinion, it would be best if drugs (aside from those for whom medicine is the primary purpose), were outlawed in this nation. I’m not saying that we should outlaw alcohol and cigarettes, because they are so deeply ingrained in our society that to do so would be impossible (we tried…it didn’t work very well). Marijuana has by no standards reached the level of alcohol in our society, and I think we should keep it that way. Sure, it may not be as harmful as crack, but it IS a “gateway drug,” and by that I mean it is readily available to teenagers, and can seem contradictory to the message “DRUGS ARE BAD,” the message that we have to send to kids.
I’m not advocating the contemporary “War on Drugs;” I think it needs a major overhaul. But we have to keep fighting the plague of drugs in this country, because wherever drugs go they bring poverty and crime with them. My main problem with the current system is the mandatory minimums; I think they are counterproductive. I’d like to see more discretion in the hands of judges, and more therapy instead of jail time (this worked well in Arizona, did it not?).
The esteemed Mr. Borgia:
Me, complain about indignant, sarcastic posts? In the Pit? Hardly. I was complaining about the dramatic (yet painfully predictable) turn this thread took from the topic of the OP.
jab:
AvenueB is an idiot that can’t write.
The idiot, who can’t write, is AvenueB.
Your friends in GQ were incorrect. “Who” is used when it modifies the subject of the sentence. I’m kind of disturbed, yet strangely amused, that you seem to be so obsessed with proving me wrong…and so gleeful when you think you’re right. Seek help.
Lexicon:
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Welcome to Reading for Comprehension, 101.
I said, “Let’s have a discussion based on the incontrivertible fact that these drugs are illegal in the United States.” Note I did not say “Let’s discuss the incontrivertible fact.” If one wants to have a discussion about, say, whether or not this board should allow discussions pertaining to illegal activities, the discussion should be based on the fact that the activity is illegal. There’s nothing too hard about that.
I’m not trying to tread on your right to discuss this law (mainly because I know you’re holding the First Amendment trump card). And what the above statement implies is that any discussion concerning drugs in any capacity should immediately turn into a legalization debate (for the sake of democracy).
Yes. And thank you for your fresh, meaningful, well-thought-out, and exceedingly interesting discourse on how essential the right to free speech is to democracy. What an original concept. I am a better man for having shared in your wisdom. Oh, and that original insult at the end…genius.
You use words like an Animal Control worker uses a shovel.
To the general reformer populus:
I get a little tired of assertions that people (like me) who support anti-drug laws are just blindly following the government. What gives you the right to assume that everybody on the opposite side of the issue hasn’t thought this thing through? Oh, right, your massive ego. You are the avatar of independent thought in this society. Thank heavens…I don’t know what we’d do without your well-thought-out opinions.
Wally:
I can. They’ll think “praise the LORD that they had the strength to stand up to people who wanted to unleash a scourge on this entire nation to satisfy their own addictions.”
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
Is it just me, or are these two statements somewhat inconsistent with one another? I know plenty of non-poor people who smoke pot. College-educated, intelligent, capable members of society. Sure, there are poor people who use drugs, but it’s somewhat of an overgeneralization to say that wherever drugs go, poverty follows.
Plus, for the places where drugs and poverty co-exist, I think you may be ignoring a common cause. Exactly what that might be is up for debate, but I don’t necessarily think that one has to lead to the other.
So have laws that limit the use of drugs to responsible use. We do that with alcohol WRT driving. We don’t make drinking illegal because of drunk drivers. Let’s make driving illegal because of the few (OK many)assholes. How about sex, make it illegal too, that will get rid of pedophiles.
Bricker - I liked you idea, but would trollette be better ?
A point in every direction is like no point at all
While Rousseau can at least be credited for stating his opinion in a founded and literate manner, I would like to say that AvenueB Dude is just too stupid to argue with me. Really. And it’s not like I present a high threshold to people.
I LOVED that bit about the pot user causing innocent people to get killed because of stray bullets. That was, well, just CLASSIC.
I’m outta here. Anyone up for a good smoke in Amsterdam? Feel free to hop on over. BYOG
Here’s another thing that I ponder sometimes. The basis of the argument for the legalization of marijuana is that it is not too harmful for you, in fact, it is less harmful than nicotine cigarettes. This is because the companies that produce nicotine cigarettes stuff them full of tar and other nasties…things that have the dual effect of giving you diseases and making the cigarettes more addictive. Now, I may be wrong about this, but it seems to me that if weed were legal, people would want to distribute it openly for a cash profit (much like they do with nicotine cigarettes now). And it seems to me that these people, high on capitalism, would employ methods similar those currently used by nicotine cigarette companies to make their product more addictive (who gives a crap if it gives the customers cancer?).
So it seems to me that, in effect, we would just be creating a new, more potent cigarette. Or are potheads too durn smart to fall for corporate America’s tricks?
Drain:
Yeah, Drain. What I meant to say in that second quote was “everybody who ingests any drug will fall into an endless spiral of destitution.” Join Lex in Reading for Comprehension 101. I think it was fairly obvious what I meant, but then again, taking quotes out of context is a hallmark of the SDMB. Oh, and thanks for letting us know that you know potheads that are successful. I had never heard that before.
Oblio:
Riiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.
Are you contending that drunk driving is not a problem in this country, that laws against it have eliminated it?
No, but not for any reason that you mentioned. Drinking is legal because it is impossible to make it illegal.
Whu?
No, we make laws against pedophiles to try and get rid of pedophilia. Are you always this incoherent and inane, or is this a good day?
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
I am in an interesting position here, since, in my heart of hearts, I am staunchy anti-drug. Really. I hate the stuff. I hate pot, though I do acknowlege it’s medicinal uses, and think it should be legal for medical reasons.
But - eh. People are going to do what they want, and I don’t have it in me to freak out about it. I have met many people who dabble in pot, and yet they function well in society. As long as they function well, and keep it out of my face, I don’t care enough to freak out about it. (And as I previously mentioned - I am not one to turn a drug user in. I think that would be a shitty thing to do. Unless they are hurting someone, none of my business.)
One thing I don’t understand though - why is it so damned important to some of you, that you’ll take risks buying the stuff off the street? As I mentioned before, I have a sister in ill health. She also is legally blind. She lost a lot of her sight as the result of a mistake in dosage of a prescription drug. The doctor messed up, she’s blind (settled out of court.) She trusted her doctor, but that wasn’t enough to protect her. I think part of the reason I have such an aversion towards drug use is that I think health is a precious thing - something that was snatched away from my sister, even though she trusted someone that she had every reason to believe was trustworthy. And she is screwed for life now. So, personally, when I see someone with good health, and eyesight, taking risks, taking drugs they buy off the street, I want to scream. They are taking such chances! Don’t they know how precious their health is? Arggh! I know I probably seem to have an extreme reaction to this, but maybe you’d understand why I feel this way if you saw your sister go slowly blind, only to find out later it could have all been avoided.
Now, getting back to pot, (and other drugs) as it is now, it’s illegal. (The discussion of whether it should be illegal is a side issue that you all are covering well without me, so I won’t go there in this post.) So, if my understanding is correct, you have to buy pot from a…shall we say? “unregulated” source. I hear tales of pot having nasty stuff in it sometimes, stuff that is harmful to the health. Tainted, whatever. Maybe this is not a common occurance, but the risk, though perhaps small, is there. This is not a government-regulated substance. No health inspector coming around to make sure everything is on the up and up. Also, needless to say, harder drugs have a big risk of not being “pure” either.
It sounds like a big risk to take - to buy a drug from someone off the street, and hope it’s OK. I don’t get it. I mean, I love frozen yogurt, but if they made it illegal and it was only available on the street, I don’t think I’d feel comfortable eating it any more. I’d be nervous, not knowing if it was tainted, or spoiled. I love frozen yogurt, but not that much! So, could someone explain this to me? Why do you just gotta have it?
That’s the idea behind keeping these drugs illegal. I basically divide drug users into three basic categories:
People who don’t do drugs because they’re bad for you. It doesn’t matter whether they’re legal or not, people in this category just don’t want to ingest any poison. The gray area here is people who drink or smoke cigarettes while avoiding other drugs, due to popular perception of the former substances. Legalization of certain other drugs may sway popular perception.
People who don’t do drugs because they’re illegal. These people are kind of on the fence about drug use. They would like to get high, and they believe that they could do so responsibly, but the legal risks involved sway them against usage.
People who do drugs in spite of the biological or legal consequences. Illegal schmillegal. They don’t give a hoot. Some because they’re addicted, some because they don’t want to “mindlessly obey the Man’s arbitrary laws,” and in fact, some because it is illegal. A lot of young people have a need to defy the law in some relatively harmless way (vandalism, petty shoplifting, marijuana). Actually, it’s my belief that if marijuana were moved to the other side of the legality line, these people would still have a need to defy the law, and so they’d move on to some illegal (and almost certainly more dangerous) drug.
See my last post. Tobacco companies are only slightly more trustworthy than your average pot dealer. There’s no reason for me to believe that publicly traded THC distributors will be any different.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
No, I am arguing that the proper response is to legislate against the abuse of the privilege as opposed to outright prohibition.
IIRC, prohibition made the sale, transportaion etc. of alcohol illegal. Talk about ignorant. What could NOT be done was make it successful, like the stupid ‘Drug War’ you advocate.
I said …
because you said
Slowly now … You are advocating making something illegal because of the fringe abusers (aka assholes), see the connection ??
You just dont get it … Pedophilia is improper use of sexual behaviour. Just as drunken driving is improper use of alchohol. Flying or driving a train while stoned should be illegal too, because it’s improper use of the substance than endangers someone else.
Get out of my house, bedroom, you pointless sanctimonious asshole.
Trollite sounds rather geological. Since the term is intended to describe someone whose thought patterns are set in stone, or lithified, as it were, I think it makes perfect sense…
