Why doesn't hunger make me want to munch wild animals?

So, human instincts were forged over the course of millions of years of evolution. For almost all of human history, the way that we have gotten food has been to go out into the wild, find some, and eat it. We might cook it first (see: fire), but the point is that in the year 35,000 B.C., if you were hungry, you couldn’t go to The Olive Garden and order Spaghetti Putanesca with a nice Bruschetta as an appetizer.

So, if I’m really hungry, and I’m in the woods, say, why don’t I look at raccoons and think “must…eat!” Why do I look at a picture of a cow and think “cow” rather than think “God, that looks tasty!”

Do you see what I’m getting at? Why don’t we get excited looking at edible things in the wild the way a bear goes crazy if he sees a salmon swim by?

Joey

In part because you know that you can hit the drivethru on the way home from the woods, or that you’ve got something in the fridge at home. Even if you happen to be a hunter, you don’t have to hunt for survival. Different mindset.

For the same reason puppies and kittens have an instinct to catch and play with small moving fuzzy things, but don’t have an instinct to EAT them. They have to be taught that inside small moving fuzzy things there is food.

Same for you. You know intellectually that animals can be converted into food. But you never actually convert animals into food yourself. You’ve been conditioned to associate food with kitchens, grocery stores and restaurants, not animals.

For what it is worth, when I look at a cow I think “God, that looks tasty!” but I really like hamburgers.

If you were really hungry, you’d look at a rotting squirrel and think “must…eat!” Forget about something that resembles normal food, you would be scraping maggots off to get at it. Actually, if you were hungry enough, the maggots would start to look good too.

We get hungry, but we don’t really understand hunger.

A friend of mine attended the Air Force Academy and had to survive on his own in the wilderness for a period of time. Those grasshoppers looked and tasted pretty good.

Most of us have never experienced hunger.

I seem to recall a scene in Quest For Fire or some such movie, where one of the charcters starts salivating when observing an animal of some type. Probably not the greatest example, but it’s not hard to imagine the primitive mind making the leap from ‘live animal’ to ‘hunk of tasty meat’, in pretty short order.
I think the distinction between “hungry” and “hunger”, made by Cheesesteak and Zoe is a very valid one.

In this thread you gotta wonder… On his own what?

Also for the same reason looking at corn smut, white lined sphinx caterpillars or natto aren’t gonna get you in the eating mood. They’re likely not “food” in your culinary paradigm. Face it, do you even salivate over a raw chicken breast? Urgh, I don’t. Only once it’s processed into something I have been taught is good to eat do I recognize it as food and want to eat it.

Remember, if cavebaby went around putting every leaf and critter in his mouth, cavebaby would poison himself out of the gene pool. We like a limited amount of things after our Mamas have certified them safe to eat. Eating everything willy-nilly was not in your ancestor’s favor.

I have actually participated in the process of turning pig into pork - my grandfather raised pigs and processed them himself - with the assistance of his 3 sons and various hot and cold running grandchildren. Our job was to scrub the bristles off Mr. Pig with steel wire brushes after he came out of the boiling water bath. For many, many years I didn’t eat any pork, and to this day I don’t eat much. Thank goodness he sent the steers out to be processed!

From the essay “Marrakech” by George Orwell (1939):

In one of the “Little House” books, Laura and Mary (who knew real hunger and knew Pa had to kill animals for food) were glad when Pa told them he didn’t kill a mother deer and her fawn “because they were so beautiful.” So there must be an aesthetic value behind it.

How hungry would you have to be before looking at another person and thinking “FOOD”? Or (Stephen King story aside), yourself?

Food search behaviors are primitive, but not instinctual. We repeat whatever behavior satisfies our hunger. This is negative schedule immediate reward reinforcement. (The bad thing continues until the behavior occurs, and then stops as an immediate consequence of the behavior. This is the most effective behavioral conditioning circumstance.) Infants get hungry, really hungry, in a matter of hours at most. They learn from a few dozens of iterations that crying brings food.

Later in life, they are fed other things than mother’s milk. In our species, the infant behavior of mouthing is most frequently quickly extinguished since it is not generally associated with success in obtaining food. In other species, mouthing, gnawing, and similar behaviors are retained as general behaviors, with both positive and negative consequences, but the immediacy of hunger appeasement makes it very hard to extinguish once establish. Once the habit of behavior is established, the absence of hunger has no effect on the frequency of the behavior, without a specific undesirable consequence. (The baby cries whether it is hungry or not. It then learns other consequences of crying, and modifies its crying behavior according to its perception. One of these consequences is the eventual adult’s self image, and ability to engage emotionally with others. Intelligence complicates behavior.)

In the adult human, hunger causes a desire for the things that our minds have learned to associate with the satisfaction of hunger. Food is defined early in life, and most people must learn the behavior of trying new foods, over the specific bias of our early training. Some never do. Animals are generally less discriminatory about food, especially in cases where artificially produced food is their habitual fare.

Predation is a suite of behaviors only tangentially associated with hunger. Grazing starts with indiscriminant eating, and is shaped by stimuli. Deadly poisons are generally very unpleasant, a fact of natural selection and billions of years of evolution by both plants, and those that prey upon them. Hunting and killing of animal prey is almost entirely learned behavior, although at the most primitive level, such as insect predation, it is reflex behaviors selected by survival, and has the consequence of speciation among insects on the sole basis of food sources.

Among carnivores, food source is much more adaptable, but more dangerous. Because of this, the pressure to develop nurture is greatly enhanced, and extends into adulthood of the progeny and into social groups, like packs, and tribes. Herbivores tent to herd for defense, carnivores group for predation. Humans group for a multiplicity of reasons, since their behavior has had thousands of generations to adapt to the complications of intelligence, and language. Like all human behaviors, hunger, and eating are far more complicated than in other species. Some will die in the presence of food for entirely social, or ethical reasons. Some will not.

Tris

Hmmm…

Chew 'em up good, though!

But now you can, and it’s much more convenient.

When you’re really hungry, do you think, “I could really go for a big wet pile of raw fish, yum”? Probably not, but that’s cultural conditioning. I never, ever want to eat a nice toasted stick of termites. Nor an old, stinking duck egg with two embryos. Nor a sea urchin. Nor okra. Nor a raw baby gazelle.

It’d take me about a day and a half without food to try to cook the maggots and about 2 days to eat them raw. I dunno if I could ever eat rotting meat, cooked or not.

That’s what cloves and cinnamon were for prior to refrigeration.

Bet you have no problem eating the solid residue of spoiled milk, though. As for rotting meat, what’s well-aged steak but beef that’s been intercepted on the downslope from freshness to putrefaction? Rotting meat’s easier to chew up.

What Zoe said. Few people have had to experience real hunger. but even in that light, I can look at Salmon and think of how good they’ll taste if I’m out camping.