Why don't Brits want King Charles III (or will it be King George VII?)

Do they still do this when the Prince in question has been granted a peerage in his own right? For instance, Edward is now the Earl of Wessex, and is expected to become Duke of Edinburgh after Prince Philip dies. So his wife is Lady Wessex or the Countess of Wessex.

Generally the commoner wife of (a) an actual Peer or (b) or his eldest son, or (c) that individual’s eldest son* uses the feminine version of her husband’s rank, and his title (the name he uses after “Lord” or “Duke of”). Presumably this extends to great-grandsons as well, as long as the supply of titles doesn’t give out. In the case of (b) or (c), and so on, husband and wife are both commoners; the titles are just a courtesy. They can run for election to the House of Commons and do anything else that commoners are allowed to do.

OTOH, in the case of younger sons using the honorific Lord John Smith, their wives do become Lady John Smith, and I assume the usage you describe for younger Princes works the same way, absent any Peerages they may have been given in their own right.

Certainly Viscounts in their own right are Peers. Anyone from a Baron on up is a Peer, and Viscount is the next rank up from Baron. Be that as it may, I’m not sure any actual Viscounts exist; I recall reading somewhere that at present, all Viscountships are held by higher ranking Peers, with the title of Viscount being used as courtesy titles by their eldest male line descendants. Technically speaking, therefore, these Viscounts are indeed not Peers.

(Yeesh, why do I know this stuff??)

I’m not either, but I’ve picked up nearly all of this information from P.G. Wodehouse stories, which AFAIK describe the styles and usages accurately, with the caveat that things are probably less formal now; for example today a friend of Clarence, the Earl of Emsworth, might well call him Clarence, while in the Wodehouse stories that was done only by his brothers and sisters.

. . . lineal descent from George III . . .

To address both, that is why I said I would let someone else that had a clue answer. I was under the impression though if Charles stepped aside his brother might be next in line rather than his son. I’m not sure where I got that idea.

On the other part, Charles can take the Kingship and abdicate but he cannot just take a pass? :confused:

No he can’t. He can’t give up something until it’s his to give up.

If it’s determined that Charles is mentally incompetent (heh), then William could step in to rule as regent. That’s what happened when George III went bonkers, and his eldest son (the future George IV) ruled as the Prince Regent. In such a situation, however, Charles would still technically be king, just as George III was until his death.

In answer to the OP, Charles just isn’t all that charismatic so it’s hard to warm up to him. But that’s never stopped any other heirs from ascending the throne in the past, so the question of him abdicating (even if that was a viable option) is a moot point, really.

Perhaps Charles could step up and be the nominal King, but his sons could take on all the regal duties, or most of them.

If he becomes too old or infirm to carry out those duties then certainly something like that would happen. That’s what regency is.

However, unless Charles triggers a constitutional crisis by being unwilling or unable to fulfill his duties, it’s just not going to happen. If he outlasts his mother, he will be king and remain so until his death.

I heard (on the Dope?) he was likely to become George VII, if only because Charleses I and II were both less than popular.

I see some value in a ceremonial head of state separated from the regular partisan political process.

However as an American and a staunch republican (little “r” in this case) I have no personal use for monarchs or nobility. They’re interesting from afar, and as someone who loves history obviously the lives and exploits of monarchs back when they actually ruled is of interest to me. In the modern world I think they’re an anachronism kept around mostly because of the innate conservative nature of the countries that keep them. The British political system is more bogged down with tradition than most. (When I use conservative I’m saying it solely in the context of being change-averse.)

From what I can tell the personal holdings (separate from their holdings that are considered public assets) of most modern monarchs would remove them from any possibility of working at Wal-Mart or McDonald’s if their thrones were taken away.

If I lived in a system in which we had a ceremonial head of state, I’d probably like it to be some sort of position that was elected by the legislature (maybe by the Senate) and I’d like it to normally go toward older politicians who are essentially in retirement. (Maybe even attach a stipulation that anyone appointed to the position may never run for any other Federal-level elected office again.)

But, all the Georges have been Hanoverians/Saxe-Coburgs/Windsors. “Charles III” would express continuity with the pre-Hanoverian monarchy.

And Charles II was one kewl dood! :cool: (I mean, you know, for a king.) Or maybe I’m taking too much from Restoration as historical.

How was Edward VII a bad King? He was considered to be an excellent diplomat and was rather popular with his subjects. As a private person, he may have left something to be desired, but he was hardly a bad monarch. And George VI wasn’t all THAT young – he was forty-one years old when he became king. Victoria was 18, and Elizabeth II was 26.

I’m not sure where this is coming from, but I don’t really see any way of reading it other than as a personal insult.

Well I’d think it a good thing were all vestiges of privilege by blood to be removed. A weakening of the class structure wouldn’t be a bad thing. And the monarchy, even as a figure head, has lead to unpleasant, anti-democratic consequences.

Younger sons of Earls are just “the Hon. <First Name> <Last Name>”.

Apologies. It was meant as a joke insult, not a serious one, but if it’s not funny then the fault is mine.

No - my bad. I’m feeling a little cranky at the moment so was willing to assume the worst. It was funny.

Well, his method of dealing with the constitutional showdown over the Lords rejecting the “People’s Budget” of 1909 was to die and leave then mess for his son to take care of. It was a pretty dicey time in British politics, and he just totally stopped dealing with it halfway through.

I disagree. I’m no monarchist, I don’t really have any strong feelings either way about the actual people themselves.

What I do think is that the current incarnation of the monarchy (ie figure head, no significant governing role) is actually healthy for our democracy. Separating the head of state from political office allows us to “treat our political leaders like the disposable bureaucrats that they really are.” (to quote John Oliver). We are a lot less reverent to our Prime Minister than Americans are to their President for this reason and I think it’s better that way.

Cite please? The last poll of opinion put Charles 10 points ahead of his son.

On the OP:

I have a very simple reason why I don’t want Charles to be King. He frequently meddles in politics.

Type Prince Charles interference into Google and you get sources such as The New York Times and The Guardian pointing out instances of when he has tried to use his status to influence political matters.

Type The Queen interference into Google and you get web pages talking about Chess strategy and a UK republican site complaining that Charles hasn’t learned anything from his mother with respect to staying above/out of politics.

I don’t want him to be King and start throwing his weight around politically; given his past behaviour, I don’t think he can be trusted to leave the running of the country to politicians and those who elect them. If we wanted an explicitly political head of state, we’d be a republic. Until Charles learns to behave I don’t want him to be King - I, frankly, hope The Queen has similar thoughts and is planning to hang on until she dies - or hopefully he dies before she does.

Of course, we can’t be certain that William would be any better at this point either but one lives in hope.