Ah yes, your OP:
You asked why people pay more and the answer appears to be they prefer the scent. This is quite unrelated to whether they know or care if it’s all ‘just’ liquid detergent or not. Why did you ask the question if you weren’t prepared to accept the answers?
No, I was saying that the primary purpose of shampoo is not being a detergent at all – it’s a cosmetic with surfactants(that could very well act as detergents if used in a hair cleaning product).
However, I think I am changing my mind. I think if you had severely soiled hair, shampoo would definitely be better than just water, so it certainly qualifies as a cleaning agent for hair. I still don’t think that detergent properties of shampoo are what people care about – they want the stuff that stays behind, like smells, silkiness, etc.
Doesn’t Consumer Reports regularly rate Dawn Dish soap as a good shampoo?
I think the big argument here is that there is no meaningful way to back up a shampoo’s claims. I can go out and buy a bottle that costs a buck, or a bottle that costs 30 bucks, but there is no meaningful way to tell why I’m paying $29 more for the expensive stuff.
Sure, the ads say all kinds of stuff, but there aren’t really a lot of rules regarding cosmetic ads. And it’s not like I’d even know what they were talking about if they did use real technical speak. And my hairdresser says stuff, but I know for a fact hairdressers are required to sell a certain amount of hair products and they will probably push the priciest ones.
Even personal experience isn’t worth much, since it’s a documented fact that people tend to rate expensive things higher.
I didn’t say that was my ONLY reason. :rolleyes: The main reason is, they make my hair look good. Even if they were completely unscented, I’d STILL use them.
Pantene gives my hair body, which it desparately needs. I then use a hair gel, Garnier XXL Volume. Then a few times a week, I use the Mint Julep because it’s a clarifying, and it gets all the build up of gel and hair-spray out. (The styling products are what makes my hair look good).
I don’t know what your hair is like, but I don’t have wash and wear hair, like some people do.
even sven, my hairdresser reccommended Pantene, and it’s pretty middle of the road, price-wise. Not Suave, but not Paul Mitchell, either. The Mint shampoo is what they use at the salon, and it’s only three dollars a bottle-and because it’s so concentrated, it lasts a loooooonnnnng time. (You can buy it at Sally’s, or you can buy it from the salon. I usually just get it at Sally’s on my way home from work.)
My grandfather uses bar soap on his hair (well, when he HAD hair), and you could tell. Ick.
Are these the things that are usually hyped as “European!”? Cuz I’ve always wondered what makes “European” such a popular hype word in personal care products.
If I don’t use selenium sulfide shampoo, my head starts to itch and I could build a small hill out of the head scrapings/flakings. So it’s not all the same.
It seems kinda obvious to me, but I can tell the difference between shampoos simply by putting a quarter size dab in my hand, rubbing my hands together, then rubbing it into my head. I am not saying that I can tell the brand, or cheap from expensive, but I can tell that the shampoos are not the same.
Thanks to having females in my house, I have sampled what seems to be an endless parade of shampoos. Some shampoos look and feel thin and watery and some look and feel thick and creamy. Some shampoos feel more slippery, especially after applied to the head. Some shampoos feel different when they are getting rinsed out. Some leave the hair feeling “squeaky clean” (you can feel friction as you rub your hands over your head) while others feel like there is some sort of lubricant on your head, even after spending a long time rinsing it out.
Are the people that believe all shampoos are the same deny that shampoos look different when placed in their hands and feel different when applied? It would seem reasonable that if a shampoo looks and feels different, it is different.
On a personal note, some shampoos that are too thick and slippery make my hair get wavy like Peter Brady’s. Some thin and watery shampoos make my hair feel dry and look frizzy. I need a middle of the road shampoo that will let my hair curl so that looks “healthy” and appears clean so it looks like I am doing my hygeine appropriately.
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Actually I had to look up “dick” to see if it was some other usage that I wasn’t aware of, when it occurred to me that you were quasi-abbreviation “dictionary”!
Soaps and detergents aren’t of necessity two different things, though. All soaps are detergents. Period. No discussion. That’s a fact.
Problem with that is that doing /2 tends to get in the way of /3.
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Sorry …
How exactly is the “bad” shampoo affecting a chemical change in your scalp’s hair follicles causing hair loss?
How does the shampoo change the amount of oil your scalp’s hair follicles produce and release to the hair shafts?
This thread has drifted away from the sort of discussion that could result in a meaningful factual answer. I’m going to close it without prejudice to the opening of a thread seeking a more factual answer in General Questions or a thread similar to this one in MPSIMS.
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