Why Don't They Make Movie Musicals Anymore?

Broadway adaptations, that is.

Call me gay ('cause hey, I am), but I loved the 40s, 50s, 60s, even 70s film adaptations of Broadway musicals. Kiss Me, Kate, Oklahoma!, My Fair Lady, Showboat, Hair, Jesus Christ Superstar…just love them.

But they seem to have stopped making them by the mid-70s, leaving those of us without easy access to the Great White Way to pine for our share of musical goodness. I’d absolutely kill for a film version of Phantom of the Opera, Les Miserables, Miss Saigon, or Rent. Come ON, Hollywood! Where are my musicals?!

jayjay

I agree totally. I love musicals. Nothing puts me in a good mood like “Oh what a beautiful morning”. So does that make me gay? If so wanna go out sometime? :wink:

you did see Hedwig didn’t you?
And I keep hearing that Chicago is finally in production…

For a wonderful, fun, extraordinarily pleasurable musical, get the Woody Allen flick “Everyone Says I Love You.” One of the most fun movies I’ve seen in ages. He really captures that blase, none-of-this-means-much, sepia-tone quality in that one.

Even if you hate Woody Allen, please try this one; it’s loads of fun, and almost totally unlike most of his films.

The South Park movie was, for all intents and purposes, a musical. And it had lots of cussing, to boot!

And if you’re a musical fan then don’t forget Bollywood!

I don’t think there has ever been a Bollywood film made that did not have at least one choreographed musical number.

One word: Moulan Rouge (sp?).
Okay, that’s two…
Killled the whole musical genre.

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Well call me gay too, because I love musicals both on screen and on stage! I love the tunes, I love the dancing, and god help me I even love the costumes.

I wish I had an answer. I think a lot of people just find it silly that someone in a movie would break out in song. I can’t think of many musicals that have come out in the past decade that I’ve really enjoyed. Well, South Park was pretty good.

Marc

They don’t make money.

Back in the 60s, musicals were big (after The Sound of Music). But there were plenty of bad ones out there, and the audience moved on to other things. In addition, there were a lot of high-profile musical flops.

Audiences don’t like musicals because it’s “unrealistic” to have people singing and dancing (as opposed, of course, to the hard core realism of things like Reign of Fire or Stuart Little 2).

There’s also the issue of music. Musical tastes these days are fragmented and strongly held, so someone who likes, say, heavy metal, doesn’t think to listen to anything else. It’s very difficult to compose a musical score that will attract enough listeners. That’s one reason why musicals are tending to use existing songs; the other is that it’s hard to write better than what’s already out there.

The few attempt at live action musicals (as opposed to animated films, where music is expected) lately have, with the exception of Moulin Rouge, been flops. Woody Allen and Kenneth Branagh tried, but they met with critical jeers and audience indifference; Branagh seems to be unable to get directing jobs since.

Moulin Rouge was the only bright spot – a truly great film and the musical reimagined for a different audience. (Some unimaginative people haven’t caught on, of course.) But, it just broke even in the U.S., so isn’t likely to spawn any more.

Paint Your Wagon was on AMC last week and I, once again, forced myself to sit through it. Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood do not a movie musical make.

Remember back in the mid-90s when Bette Midler did Gypsy on CBS, just like an old-fashioned “event” program? It was great, got all sorts of awards, and Bette said she’d do Mame and Hello Dolly and Call Me Madam . . . and nothing came of it. Same with Bye Bye Birdie. It’s got to be a financial thing; that’s what movies and TV run on.

Oh, by the way, I liked Moulin Rouge, with a few quibbles (Nicole Kidman should never do comedy scenes).

Yeah. The most recent musical type movies that come to mind, are Hedwig, Moulin Rouge, and South Park. The classics are wonderful and I would love to see more but the majority of people who go to movies nowadays don’t want musicals, they want guns and explosions. Maybe someone should make a musical with guns and exposions in it…

I think it may be that good musical theater isn’t being written much for Broadway anymore. Sweeny Todd would probably make a good film adaptation (gore, murder, a few comic touches), but there simply isn’t that much source material anymore. Most (not all, but most) musicals that get to Broadway now are simply revivals of classics (Annie Get Your Gun, for example). Without a new Rodgers and Hammerstein or someone to take Sondheim’s place (and someone to kill Andrew Lord Webber - in a really slow, painful way), the future looks pretty bleak.

Well, there hasn’t been a flat-out HIT movie musical since “Grease,” and that was about 24 years ago. Oh, a few of them have been profitable, but none has been a blockbuster since, and Hollywood is increasingly uninterested in making any film that isn’t a potential blockbuster.

I can think of numerous musicals that might make for a very good film, but none that has “blockbuster” written all over it. Making a movie musical is a very expensive proposition (well, it is if you do it right), and no studio is going to shell out that kind of money if it doesn’t seem certain to attract mass audiences.

These days, “mass audiences” means teens. THEY’RE just about the only ones who’ll go to see a movie 3 or 4 times, if they like it (as teens did when “Grease” first hit the theaters). How many musicals are there that might appeal to teens that way? I can’t think of any.

The Coen Brothers have just announced that their next film (after they finish Intolerable Cruelty with George Clooney and Catherine Zeta-Jones) will be a musical.


Coen Bros. Tune Up for Musical
The duo have reportedly agreed to produce and direct Romance and Cigarettes, a new musical being written by one of their favorite actors, John Turturro. (Aside from O Brother, Turturro starred in the Coens’ Barton Fink, The Big Lebowski and Miller’s Crossing.)

According to Variety, the story is a cross between the stylized 1981 Steve Martin musical Pennies from Heaven and The Honeymooners (remember, this is the Coen brothers) and takes place in Turturro’s hometown of Bensonhurst, New York.

Unlike O Brother–in which most of the cast, including star George Clooney, lip-synched to professional musicians–Romance and Cigarettes will follow the lead of Moulin Rouge and have all the actors doing their own singing and dancing.


I’ll be first in line to see ANYTHING the Coen Brothers do, but it seems as if the remake of Gambit has been put on hold or chucked by the wayside, and that’s really disappointing to me.

Eq

I was led to believe Goldmember is a musical. Anyone seen it yet? (Well, I guess we’ll know by midnight tonight.)

I’m bettin’ that Lost Horizon had something to do with it. I showed that one at my annual Bad Film Festival last year.
Seriously. The studio dropped big bucks on that one, hoping it could revive original studio musicals. And found otherwise.

There were two types of film musicals: original musicals and stage adaptations.

Original musicals were dominant until the mid-1950s, and had some of the greatest songwriters in America contributing original works: the Gershwins, Porter, Kern, Mercer, Berlin, Fields, Rodgers & Hart, etc. These remain, IMHO, the greatest American musicals, from Love Me Tonight to Astaire & Rogers to Meet Me in St. Louis to The Bandwagon.

The problem now is that most original songwriting gets direct visual interpretation through music videos, so there’s no longer a need to compile them for a film (and let’s face it, most of those musicals were threadbare in plot and were primarily song showcases). The only films that really receive multiple original songs anymore are animated musicals, and even then that’s slowly being phased out (see the last several Disney endeavors, or any computer animated feature).

From the mid-1950s on, with the phenomenal success of Rodgers & Hammerstein, film adaptations became increasingly common, until, by 1960, the most successfilm musicals were translated from the stage. I find these films, with few exceptions (The Pajama Game, The Music Man, Cabaret), vastly inferior to the musicals from the previous decades. They also, I’d argue, contributed to the death of the film musical. Why? Because:

(1) The need to “open up” the musical by having real locations and protracted production numbers meant that they became more expensive to produce. Film is film so they couldn’t just shoot the stage musical; they had to make it bigger, longer, more colorful. This made them costlier and financially riskier.
(2) There was no need to nurture original songwriting talent for the movies if all you needed for a musical was to buy the rights and go pillaging on Broadway. Thus, when the larger, more elephantine adaptations became financial busts, there was no musical-writing tradition at any of the studios to provide an alternative.
(3) These adapted Broadway musicals no longer represented “popular music” the way the previous musicals did. Sure, original cast albums would peak at the charts, but the existence of the rock ‘n’ roll counter-culture meant that film musicals had a narrower, more limited appeal. Rock ‘n’ roll musicals existed (notably the Beatles’ efforts), but going into the 70s, the most successful were concert films or nostalgia movies (American Graffiti, Grease).

Ultimately, the film musical is dead because there’s no compelling desire for it. Decades ago, everyone knew the songs from South Pacific and there was an enormous market to gratify in a film version. Even earlier, radio stars were also film stars who you could build a film around. Tastes aren’t so uniform now, music videos (free on TV) more-than-satisfy those markets, and many of the essential conventions people were used to in musicals (breaking out into song, etc.) are not familiar to newer generations and thus are a harder sell.

The fact that the thoroughly mediocre, recycled Moulin Rouge could garner such praise shows how sad a state the genre is in. For my money, the musical Buffy episode was ten times more inventive, smarter, sexier, better-written, and more attuned to the musical tradition. That’s our current gold standard. Let’s hope more is on the way.

Chicago’s coming this Christmas. Can the Broadway Adaptation survive? Let’s find out.

I’m plenty imaginative. I spent the part of Moulin Rouge that I could stand to sit through imagining that the cast was being trampled by wildebeest. It didn’t help. Truly, our definitions of “truly great” differ greatly.