Wow. If I started a thread asking why men don’t _____ , I’d get shouted down. I guess it’s still okay to stereotype and generalize about some things, with some people. :rolleyes:
I’m very much into prototypical guy stuff, so a look into my favorite bands as a teenager is probably going to be quite unappealing to girls:
The Who
Frank Zappa
King Crimson
Grateful Dead
Pink Floyd
Which of those is not like the other? I went to see all* of them live with groups of friends. Those pilgrimages included women for exactly one of the groups. Can you guess which one?
I’d add Led Zeppelin to the list of girl-averse music, though I’m not a fan of them. The fact that girls don’t like Led Zeppelin provided an excellent joke in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
I’ll also add that several of my groups of friends gravitated to Phish in the early 90s as the 'Dead waned, and they were every bit as girl-friendly as the 'Dead was. I was aghast when the natural progression after Phish was Dave Mathews, which offers nothing for guys.
- I didn’t actually see Zappa because when a bunch of my friends offered me a ticket, I was two months away from being a fan. He went and got cancer after that tour, so I missed out by two months. Doh!
Thanks for the clarification. 
I disagree with your assessment, but I see how you arrived at it.
Back to the OP topic, I wonder how many people that don’t like PF have only heard the radio hits? I’ve only ever heard maybe twelve songs played on any station, and either don’t like those songs, or feel they’ve been played out, and then dismiss the band. (This is what happened with my husband, who thought he didn’t like PF when we first met. A Nice Pair later, and he’s become a fan.)
I call bullshit on this hypothetical. You would not get shouted down at all, though no doubt you’d get a handful of guys chiming in to say they like the thing that guys don’t like to demonstrate how special they were.
I mean, you don’t honestly think you’d get shouted down if you started a thread asking why guys don’t like Twilight, do you? You couldn’t possibly. I think you’re just looking to find offense.
Zepplin inherited the whole “bad girl done me wrong” asethetic from the Blues it ‘borrowed’ from. I could easily see that rather repetitious emphasis on the overall rottenness of the girls in the lyrics being a trifle off-putting to women. I found it layed on a bit thick myself, and I’m a guy (who otherwise likes Zep a lot).
Yeah, the women commenting in here are kind of missing the point. No one is really saying that no women like Pink Floyd. But I’ve only known a couple, and one in my entire life who was really a fan. However when I talk to guys about music, it’s almost a given that PF was one of the greatest bands ever. Occasionally you even get into a Syd Barrett/Roger Waters/David Gilmour argument . I’ve never been to a Pink Floyd concert, but it sounds like it’s similar to what I’ve seen with other bands – some concerts (Van Halen, post-black album Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, Neil Young, Pearl Jam, etc. etc. etc. and even Tool) have a fairly even split, gender-wise. Others (The Mars Volta, Mastodon, etc.) are basically sausage-fests.
In my wife’s case, at least, anything that has an odd or inconsistent beat and/or time signature is unpleasant and “difficult.” Her friends all concur (though we have one friend who is a concert viola player who appreciates “proggy”-type stuff, even if it’s not necessarily her preference). I have to be very careful when assembling playlists for parties, because nothing seems to kill the ladies’ moods more than when something comes on that I think is upbeat and really danceable, like TMV’s “Day of the Baphomets” or “Wax Simulacra” – they stop dead and look at each other like “WTF is this?” Whether they are dancing at the time or not! Anything Pink Floyd would get the same reaction, guaranteed.
Maybe I’m just weird, though. She’s going with a group of girls to see Lady Gaga – I can’t find anyone to go see Between the Buried and Me and Mastodon with me :rolleyes: .
There may be a tiny bit of hyperbole there, but really it is somewhat offensive to be told that* girls* aren’t supposed to like such and such… maybe I just should learn my place and shut my mouth.
I’m a female Floyd fan, as is my eighteen year old daughter, and I have never heard of this “girls don’t like Floyd” thing. I thought everyone liked Pink Floyd.
freekalette, IMO Roger’s gotten a lot dreamier in his old age.
Sounds perfectly reasonable, but my impression is based on more than lyrical content. Nt being a fan, I don’t know any Zeppelin lyrics. I think it’s the sound and rhythmn that women (and me!) find offputting. If the lyrics were changed to that of, say, Alanis Morisette, I don’t think that would expand their demo at all. Ditch the lyrics altogether, like say for karaoke backing tracks, and I bet women would like it even less.
Hey, there’s a quick litmus test. If it can/is sung karaoke-style, odds are women dig it. If it isn’t/can’t, odds are women don’t like it.
Being told women aren’t supposed to like something would indeed be offensive.
**Freakalette **meet Nine. Nine meet Freakalette. There - now you’ve met someone who digs them as much as you.
I first heard them in March 1967 when Arnold Layne was released. I first saw them on May 12th 1967 at their Games For May concert. I’ve been entranced by and fascinated with them ever since.
I think there are many of us. But I do understand the OP. When I went to their concerts in the '60s and '70s, men far outweighed the women. It was a truism back then that women didn’t really enjoy prog generally. Funnily enough, Mrs Nine and I were watching a programme about prog music on the BBC last night, and we were talking about this, and she said ‘why do you think I came with you to all those Floyd and Yes concerts?’ I was assuming it was my devilish appeal, but I had to concede that maybe she was enjoying the music (as well).
You projected the “aren’t supposed to” all on your own. You should stop that.
Not supposed to? Bullshit, I think we’re saying we’d love it if there were more women who liked it too. But for many of us, that is not our experience. Of course people are different, hang out in different circles, etc. So YMMV.
I see the guys more as charming uncles than as drool worthy. Of course, they’re the same age as my dad, so that’s probably got a lot to do with it.
Glad to meetcha, Nine! shakes hands
If you’re this hell bent on picking a fight, maybe you should start a Pit thread.
I totally agree with your assessment. Count me as one who falls squarely in the “it’s for ill” camp. Much of the prolonged male adolescence prevelant in modern society and reflected by the media bothers me. I remember several years ago in the thread for The Prestige, the OP was giddy at the prospect of a movie actually geared to grownups. I can totally relate to that idea. A decade ago the huge blockbuster was Titanic. Sure it was driven by young women, but fine, at least you could see the appeal to grownups. Now we have Avatar in 3D. Ugh.
It’s not just the blatant comic book / cartoon / superhero crap, either. Consider Judd Apatow, the reigning king of movie comedies. I love the movies, but damn if they aren’t chock full of male characters who never grew up.
So I guess my dislike of arrested male adolescence is what makes me sad to think that women find all-women stuff empowering, because to me it’s just arrested female adolescence.
What Troub said. I just don’t get it, that’s all my point was. We want the ladies to dig it too. My wife digs Yes, Zep, etc, and actually owned King Crimson LPs. But PF sends her screaming from the room. :rolleyes:
Here’s the thing: there are women and then there are women.
Not all of us are “from Venus”.
When will our society stop the madness of generalizing about what women like? We don’t all watch the crap on Lifetime, or rom-coms about idiots.
In many ways I was a girly-girl: I was even a cheerleader. My love life has been standard hetero all the way. OTOH I spent a lot of high school partying in the woods with the guys. I majored in math, minored in computer science. I did not join a sorority.
My girlfriends are also all over the map in their tastes.
But they all dig Pink Floyd.
I was turned on to PF by various friends in high school. All girls. One was a Jewish American princess from the suburbs, who was as into “Wish You Were Here” as any teenybopper loved a Beatles song in the 60s. Another was a blonde blue-eyed WASP who lived in a mansion, where I remember DANCING to “Have a Cigar” - who ever said it’s not danceable music? FTR, the way we all danced to it was slow-motion jitterbug, if you can picture that. Another was a black chick from a bad neighborhood whose sister had passed down to her a big collection of Zeppelin, Floyd etc., kind of like the sister in “Almost Famous”.
In my early 20s, mid-80s, when my roommates & I made the move from vinyl & cassettes to our first CD player, I remember having a house discussion about what would be our first CD. Granted our house was mixed, half girls and half guys, but the vote was unanimous that it would be “Dark Side of the Moon”.
Some of us also listened to music that I do think was more popular with chicks than it would ever be with guys, like Carly Simon, or Dan Fogelberg. But nobody did not like Pink FLoyd.
OTOH, one band of that era that it did seem more of my guy friends were fanatical about than the females were, is The Who. (The exception being that all the girls loved Baba OReilly, although they probably thought the title was teenage wasteland.)
One thing that does seem true to me is that in adolescence, the guys are more likely than the girls to get into music from a previous era, while the girls are less likely to look beyond what is currently being released. So maybe the OP and others who have posted that “women don’t like Pink Floyd” are much younger than I am? Hell nowadays MOST folks are younger than I am. But I can assure you, girls who went to high shcool in the 70s loved Pink Floyd.
One more thing: I saw lots of great concerts, but the most outstanding rock concert I ever went to was Roger Waters “Pros & Cons of Hitch-hiking”, mid 80s. Wow.
Feel free to do so yourself.
Can someone not disagree with an OP’s premise without being invited to start a pit thread? Again, wow.
That’s not what you did. You invented a strawman to get offended about. And no, you can’t do that without being invited to start a pit thread. It’s practically thread shitting.
Never. Nor should they. For example:
Physician, heal thyself! Unless, of course, you don’t hold yourself to the same standards you advocate for society. Or was the hypocrisy unintentional?
Why is it so threatening to women to generalize? God forbid anyone points out that women aren’t into watching sports, for example. That’s only one step away from taking away their right to vote. Or something.