What is incomprehensible is why you think that consent is an issue at all here.
You’re equating something totally innocent with the sexual exploitation of a child. There’s no sexual gratification at all in this scenario – not for the actors, and not for the audience. Hell, the grade eight production of Robin Hood I took part in when I was in drama club would be considered kiddy porn by your standards. Children acting out a courtship and marriage – with kissing. Directed by pervert teachers. The horror…
The idea that it should be illegal to portray a romantic relationship between a twenty-nine-year-old and a fourteen-year-old on the basis of some sort of twisted principle is completely absurd. If we were talking about a graphic depiction of her deflowering, that’d be something else again. A chaste kiss, though?
What the hell is your hang-up? It’s drama, for christ’s sake. Where do you imagine the harm is?
Fortunately for the 30,000 + Dopers out there, we’re all allowed to post to threads without vetting each thought and word with our esteemed mhendo. I am curious, though. You threw out a pretty heavy accusation there, and thought so much of it that you quoted it twice back to back just now.
Please do, oh wise one, cut and paste the quote of my post from this thread where I use either/both of the words “apologist” or " pedophile".
Cause, you know, some of us apparently are making such statements about others without the quote from this thread to back it up. Sort of a serious accusation, eh?
Um. We’re waiting, sir. C’mon- you accused me of it. Where’s that quote from my post in this thread? Hmmm. Maybe you’re the one with a problem with people who won’t fall into lockstep with your opinion, cause I don’t recall accusing any individual in this thread of anything.
Backpedalling? I stand by my OP. Stop being a jerk and saying I’ve backed away. Try reading The Rules ( see that pretty little blue word up top on your t.v. set? The one that says, " Rules" Click it, motherfucker. It sort of starts with, " Don’t be a jerk".) I’m not backing down. I’m also allowed to not post for more than a few hours without being accused of backing away. :wally
Faking intimacy with a 14 year old child is abuse. Period. Find an 18 year old, dress her like a kid and fuck her till she weeps, go for it. But fer crissakes don’t try playing the " it’s just a drama, silly ! "
You stand by your false accusations regarding events that have never occurred, based, apparently, on a misreading of some commentary regarding a movie you have never seen?
You stand by the posting of lies and the attempt to defame the character of an actor and a movie production crew based on your own need to express horror at imaginary events?
You really ought to consider standing somewhere else.
Hey, stupid fuck, I’ll say it again…THERE ARE NO LOVE SCENES IN THE MOVIE WHATSOEVER.
There is no “faked intimacy.” It doesn’t happen. There is hand holding. There are a couple of kisses on the cheek. There is one quick kiss on the lips with Christian Bale in a non-sexual situation. That’s it. If you’re going to persist in this shit could you please do us the courtesy of telling us exactly what scene or specific depicted act it is that you object to? Thank you.
However, your irrationality in this thread suggests that, in this instance at least, my evaluation has some merit.
Never said you did.
My observation was related to my past experience with you on this general issue where, in my opinion, you have generally shown yourself to be completely devoid of all reason.
If anyone wants evidence for this, and would like to look beyond this particular thread, they can check out this thread where, aside from generally being a complete moron and an irrational dickhead, you also called me “an apologist and supporter for a kidnapper rapist”:
And you also, in that thread, trotted out the “I’m a parent, so my arguments are more valid than yours” line of reasoning. When one poster disagreed with you, your response was to assert:
And when i and others pointed out how spurious this line of “reasoning” was, you responded:
These quotes, and your behaviour in this threasd, stand as adequate evidence of your irrationality on this issue, in my opinion.
Perhaps i can help you out with some basic reading comprehension here. If i’m successful, it may even help you understand what other people have been arguing in this thread.
What i said was:
Bolding mine.
The word “before” meaning, in this case, “at some earlier period in time.” I’m sure you’ve encountered this usage of the word, and can grasp its basic usefulness in such a context. I was not talking about this particular thread; i was describing my previous experience with you on this issue, and pointing out that your lack of logic and rationality in this thread was consistent with your past behaviour.
You’re right. If a 30-something actor were fondling a 14-year-old girl on screen, for real, I’d have a problem with that. But, unlike you, I don’t get outraged at stuff that hasn’t happened.
Also, Cartooniverse, i’m confused (and you also seem to be confused) about whether this is a legal or a moral issue for you.
First you say:
This suggests that your main gripe with the movie is that it violates US law. But then you say:
This suggests that the issue is a moral one, and that you would be oppsed to such a scene even if it were filmed in a country like Germany where age-of-consent laws are lower.
Of course, this leaves aside the fact that you don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about, and that the scenes you’re complaining about don’t even exist.
I was hoping you backed out.
Backing out != backpedalling. See, what you’re doing now is backpedalling. You’re trying to come up with reasons to validate your OP, when you should just walk away, you crazy motherfucker. You’re not going to win this. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact. You’re OP was a baseless claim that Colin Farrell was a rapist because of a movie YOU HADN’T SEEN. People have come in and told you that doesn’t happen.
Don’t be a jerk? You’re the one trying to incriminate The New World for something it didn’t even show. But hey, shouldn’t let facts get in the way of a good pit OP now should we? Whether it’s alright to touch a 14 year old girl in a movie doesn’t even come into it. Because that’s not what happened in The New World. So back out.
Or keep on making an ass out of yourself. Either way. It’s slightly more entertaining for me if you keep on wailing on the way you are. It’s wasted effort for you though. Is it really worth the 5 page trainwreck, the breakdown and the apology thread which you will undoubtedly post, in which people will say you are a “class act”, {{{{CARTOONIVERSE}}}, etc etc? Tell me, is going to sleep at night knowing the fact that people support your theory that Collin Farrell is a rapist, really worth looking like a complete dick?
Are you just mentioning this as a general axiom, or are you trying to apply it to this movie? Do you have me on ignore? DtC? Any of the OTHER posters who have actually SEEN the movie and have told you there is no faked intimacy between Colin Ferell and this then-14 year old actor.
I have no problem with the stance that certain types of intimacy with a 14 year old person are inappropriate, whether it’s “film” or not. But that has nothing to do with this particular movie because it just is not present in said movie.
You’re making yourself look pretty bad in all this, you’d probably get a lot more acceptance and quickly if you’d acknowledge at least one of the many posts which have told you there is no sexual or even semi-sexual contact between Ferell and the 14-year old.
Is it your position that hand-holding, a kisses on the cheek equal some sort of sexual intimacy?
Damn, my grandma used to kiss me on the cheek every time she saw me from age 2-30, I guess I’m glad you weren’t around to arrest her.
Well, we can’t blame him. If he would acknowledge any of the multiple posts which have told him there is no sexual contact in the movie it would completely demolish his argument.
Dude, you’ve had a lot of opportunities to be classy, but you’ve ignored them. Time to call you out. You are full of shit. 29 years as a paid camera operator? Who the fuck do you think you’re kidding? You are clearly a bozo who has managed to bullshit his way behind the camera once or twice in his life between stints attempting to be an EMT. Don’t fuckin’ pretend to be a camera operator when your experience is limited to trembling on the camera truck hoping the DP doesn’t fire you for being unable to figure out an eyeline. I’d doubt you’ve ever loaded a mag, let alone framed a scene. You’re accusing Terence Malik of making kiddie porn? You haven’t seen the movie! Please, before you embarrass yourself further, acknowledge those who have pointed out that the film has no intimate scenes, and that your initial comparison of Colin Farrel to Roman Polankski was an offense to victims of sexual abuse everywhere. Then, **SHUT THE FUCK UP! **
And a member of the House of Lords whose name I don’t know was understood to remark that he wasn’t concerned about either his wife or his servants, but he really didn’t want the book getting into the hands of his gamekeeper.
