From listening to the call, I think it is most likely Zimmerman loses sight of Martin well before the end of the call. It seems the Dispatcher and Zimmerman decide to end the call by mutual agreement since they seem to have said all that needs to be said.
I don’t know who actually hung up first, but it seems the conversation had met a mutual conclusion that the police would call Zimmerman once they were on the scene.
ETA:newme beat me to it, but here is the last bit of the transcript.
Yep, nothing to see here at least, except the part where he didn’t know where he would be, but nothing about hanging up is relevant.
It is amazing how many people with poor circulation who have expressed opinions on the dress of Zimmerman and Martin. They also don’t understand how oppressive the humidity is in Central Florida. Look at the weather data from the station closest to Twin Lakes.
http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KFLLAKEM2&month=2&day=26&year=2012
At 19:01 it is only 62 degrees, but with 94% humidity.
You’re forgetting each step is a separate act, and let’s not even mention the repeated breathing.
treis is saying Zimmerman stopped following him after 911 told him not to. I think it’s pretty obvious that is not the case.
What point are you making with this? Zimmerman was wearing a jacket, okay. But Martin was wearing a hoodie. And? Neither garment strikes me as inordinately heavy for a rainy night. 62 degrees is far from tropical.
After running away from him?
We can hear in the 911 call that Zimmerman stopped running shortly after the dispatcher told him that “we don’t need you to do that”*. It’s unknown if Zimmerman kept walking around looking for Martin, but it seems unlikely based on the position of Martin’s body and the truck.
*Amazing how this has transformed into Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin
Yes. Little about what Martin did that night makes sense, but this appears to be the solution most consistent with the facts.
Why are you assuming that Zimmerman stopped his pursuit after 911 suggested he not do that? My reconstruction is that Zimmerman was about 100 yards from his truck and Brandy Green’s town home was a little further when the shooting occurred.
I suggest you install Google Earth and draw a reconstruction of what you think happened. What you are saying doesn’t make much sense. A diagram would be much better. With Google Earth there is a ruler tool to measure the distance. I’ll try to find what one of the other people in this thread drew.
Only if you have a preconceived outcome to defend.
I can’t speak to the weather and local dress norms. For my area, 62° is shorts and t-shirt weather right now.
Here is the diagram newme drew:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=217828638806042443821.0004bc2f8dc88681cedc1
Hello? Are you following the discussion? I’m saying the exact opposite of this. It’s treis you need to pose this question to.
There is about a 3 minute gap between when Z gets off the phone w/ the PD and when the girl is disconnected from Martin.
Between the time Z was advised his following services were not needed and when we stop hearing wind noises if fifteen seconds more or less.
Between the time Z was advised his following services were not needed and the end of the call is about 1:35
After that, there’re 3 more minutes [ where Z either did or did not go back to his truck and have an encounter w/ M through the truck window ] before the two of them can begin their altercation
[And then one more minute between then and when the police arrive]
So there’s a in the neighborhood of 4 minutes of time between when Z says, “Ok,” in reply to not following M and when Z and M find one another.
So, I can’t really agree with the assertion that “it seems unlikely” “Zimmerman kept walking around looking for Martin.”
Z may have been doing something other than “walking around looking for Martin.” But it doesn’t seem unlikely that he was doing so.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav
They close with
z: thanks
pd: you’re welcome
shrug I think this epitomizes your side of the argument. I offer facts to back up my opinions, and you guys just roll with assumptions.
Maybe, I don’t really know. It seems like Zimmerman ran to where the path was in the backyards, and the body was found near the beginning of this path. It’s possible that Zimmerman walked up and down that path. If that were the case, it seems like it would be a pretty big coincidence that the body ended up near where the logical place for Zimmerman to stop would be.
But ultimately, the point is what is Martin doing. If we accept your 4 minutes of time, Martin at that point is ~200-300 feet away from his house. Why isn’t he home? How is it that he ends up ~150 feet from Martin’s truck?
You interpret those facts entirely differently than I do. The same facts indict Zimmerman.