Based on your reaction, can I assume you are a woman? For a guy, that is wind breaker weather. For me it would be tee shirt and a umbrella weather in case it actually developed into serious rain.
The point I’m making is that Zimmerman wasn’t wearing the jacket for comfort, he was wearing it to conceal his 9mm. Florida is a sucky state for concealed carry.
Call me crazy, but you’re doing that for Zimmerman by insisting that between the two of them, Martin was the bizarre one. And yet it is Zimmerman who gunned down an unarmed person who hadn’t been committing any crimes.
It would be vanishingly rare for marijuana to be sold with seeds in it. Most marijuana is cultivated far, far away from any male plants.
Irony. Maybe you shouldn’t be so sure of everythinfg you are so sure of.
Hiding in the middle of the sidewalk?
He had plenty of time to call 911.
Uh, any time after he was scared enough to run?
Your explanation sounds like the plot justification by a fanboy of a bad movie. There’s no real logic behind this explanation of Martin’s actions. The only reason to come up with them is to justify the preexisting story of racist asshole hunts down black kid.
I’ve listened over and over again, it has always sounded more like “punks” than “coons” to me. Regardless, I don’t think it matters much at all. He doesn’t have to be a racist fuck to be guilty, and really, if it ever comes to trial. That might be a lousy bit of evidence for the prosecution to hang their hat on. Like the screams, it just isn’t definitive enough to eliminate reasonable doubt.
I don’t know where you are from, but every place I’ve been to, punching someone in the face and then slamming their head into the sidewalk is a crime.
Zimmerman’s actions are easy to explain:
(1) Sees a teenager he doesn’t recognize walking slowly through the neighborhood
(2) Calls cops to report suspicious person
(3) Person runs once he realizes he has been spotted.
(4) Zimmerman gets out to see where the suspicious person went
(5) Zimmerman hangs out where he saw the guy ran to in order to spot him again
(6) Gets confronted by suspicious guy
(7) Gets decked by suspicious guy
(8) Shoots guy in self defense
It’s at least a logically consistent and sound story.
Good advice noted. 
IANAPE Just off the cuff I would say it isn’t common, but not outside the realm of possibility. :o
There’s nothing unsound about Martin’s actions either, unless you think he knew that Zimmerman was armed and thought he was a criminal.
There is no evidence that happened. Flimsy assumptions.
Bolding mine. If the suspicious person ran and Zimmerman stopped following him, either “hanging out” like you say, or returning to his truck like he says, how is it logically consistent for the suspicious person to reverse course and confront Zimmerman? He’s made two diametrically opposed decisions – run, and then do the exact opposite of run.
I mean, I suppose it could have happened that way, but then you have to say that Martin behaved inconsistently.
That sounds wonderful. It is in the nineties in Orlando, but at least the humidity is still low. The rest of the week has a forecast of rain in the afternoon. When the rain stops and the sun comes out it is a frigging sauna.
This is a 17 year old Black Male we are talking about.
#2 is almost certainly out of the question.
#3 was probably done but too late.
#4 again is not very likely to happen.
Is this the best you do? You’re looking at a top-down view of an area taken hundreds of feet off the ground and declaring matter-of-factly that there wasn’t an awning or overhang where that he could have been standing under. Okay, dude. I’m overwhelmed by your logic here.
Martin was killed on the backyard pathway, not a sidewalk. Martin could had stopped anywhere in that back area to continue talking to his GF, once he though he’d lost Zimmerman. Including smack dab in the middle of the pathway if he had wanted to.
My point in bringing up his GF’s statement is that it doesn’t sound like he was ever in a rush to get home. This actually surprises me too, because I’d assumed that being out in the rain would be unpleasant enough that he’d want to go home right away. Add in a stalker and even more so. But as folks have assured me, this is a 17 year-old male we’re talking about. As a visitor at his Dad’s fiancee’s, I guess it makes sense that he would rather be outside talking to his GF.
Then the idea that Zimmerman was brandishing a gun in order to restrain Martin must be wrong.
And I might quibble with the idea that punching someone in the face and slamming his head into the ground is a sound course of action.
If that’s how it went down.
Regards,
Shodan
Damn! I wonder what the hell my friend had? Oregano? :eek:
One of the drawbacks of being out in the sticks I guess.
Okay, that’s nice. Still doesn’t prove that Zimmerman would not have pulled out his gun on Martin, though. It really doesn’t. Just like Martin’s hoodie doesn’t prove he was up to no good.
BTW, Floridians are accustomed to hot weather, so when the mercury falls below 70, we should not be surprised when they overreact and dress warmly. Likewise, go up north and you’ll see shorts and sandals come out just as it soon as it breaks 60.
Are you kidding? We have an eye witness that says he saw Martin beating Zimmerman, and the Police reported that they found Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and head. You may not believe that the evidence is correct, but there is indisputably evidence being offered to support that claim. It isn’t an assumption.
I haven’t come up with any logical explanation for Martin’s actions that night, and I haven’t even really seen a half convincing case.
This doesn’t make any sense at all. If Martin had stopped where his body was, Zimmerman should have encountered him when he ran after him.
Wow, um, no. The explanations actually have nothing to do with Zimmerman himself so much as Martin’s thoughts about what was happening and it all is perfectly valid for a kid in an unfamiliar neighborhood who is not exactly sure why some guy seems to be following him. It seems far fetched to you because in your mind there is only two possible ways for someone to act in this situation, run like hell to the house, or wait ambush someone. You seem to only believe in these two options. There are many viable options. But the fact is that there are many, many reasons why he might not have gone straight home and they are not outrageous or the result of an active imagination.
Right from the get go, Zimmerman describes Martin as:
I took this to mean that Martin was new to the area. Checking out the place, the cars, what people have.
As a teenager I liked to go ride my bike around in the “nice” neighbor hood and gawk at all the stuff people had.