Did Zimmerman claim his nose was broken? Link?
As for bleeding from the back of his head - I tend to think that if the police officer says there was bleeding from the back of his head, in the official police report, there was bleeding from the back of his head. Care to make a wager?
I take no position on the nose, but I’ll bet you $200 that the EMTs report says there was bleeding on the back of Zimmerman’s head.
Do we have a bet?
yep. but it was already reported by the police per earlier reports. Doesn’t require a neurosurgeon’s signoff that he was in a fight. Do you think Martin was tickling Zimmerman when he was reportedly on top? The case for him being in a fight has already been made and documented at the time it occurred as well as sustained injuries visible days later. All Zimmerman’s defense has to establish is that a fight took place where his head was pummeled. His assailant was a 6’3" football player used to knocking people down. To the extent that Martin’s character is allowed in court they will show him to be a kid on suspension from school for drugs who projects himself like a gangsta wanna be right down to sporting a gold grill.
We know from Zimmerman’s phone call that Martin approached him. We know from Martin’s girl friend’s phone call that Martin started the conversation. All we know from Zimmerman is that he followed Martin which is a passive act in comparison to Martin’s active approach and verbal engagement of Zimmerman. While it doesn’t prove or disprove who swung first it implies that Martin was more proactive in the confrontation.
Doesn’t matter what the EMT report says. It’s not their job to document legal matters.
We don’t know any such thing.
True, Magiver, except that since so much will likely turn on Zimmerman’s credibility, if the jury sees that his initial story was materially different than the sotry he tells at trial, the practical effect of that will likely be a finding of guilty. You’re right: he only needs to show that he reasonably feared for his life. But the only way he has to do that is through his testimony. If the jury hears that Zimmerman changed his story, he starts at the bottom of a very deep hole.
Which, as an aside, is why I said waaaaay back when, about 2,000 posts ago:
No, we do not.
Yes. But it’s their job to document medical matters, and in fact there’s a statute that requires them to do so when the patient refuses medical attention.
So if they didn’t, the jury can certainly draw the inference from that lack of documentation that there were no serious injuries to be found.
It is significant evidence. If it contradicts GZ claim, it makes it less likely the court will agree with his claim.
But… but… what about your guarantee?
He described it to the police. So yes. we know that.
My guarantee still stands.
What nits are you picking? If his claim of self-defense is determined to be truthful within the meaning of the law the killing was was justified.
And again: how much? From where? Why? Did he pick a zit? there mere presence of blood is not proof of anything. It’s certainly suggestive of some kind of altercation, combined with other things, but it’s not proof. It’s something to present to the jury as a fact which lends credibility to Zimmerman’s claims.
And if it was a tiny spot of blood with no other injury or bruise of any kind, with no clear definition of what caused it in the form of a goose egg, concussion or other evidence that his head was smashed into the ground, it doesn’t really do much to support the idea that he was facing terrifying violence forcing him to shoot Martin.
For the 99 billionth time: details matter.
No, they have to establish that his head was pummeled at all. See the previous. Also see the facts regarding the grass on his shirt and the positioning of Trayvon’s body. Question Zimmerman about exactly how his head was being pounded into concrete vs. soft wet earth vs. not pounded at all given those facts. And the timing (all these things, ncluding teh contortions Zimmerman would have to claim to make it make sense, happened in a ridiculouly short period of time). And the screaming. And the witness statements that he was pressing on Trayvon’s back. Make all that work with a story about having his head pummeled into concrete so hard he nearly lost consciousness. If you think a spot of blood on the back of his head with no greater injury and no good explanation for everything else is sufficient, you are going to be facing other jurors who don’t feel quite so certain, I promise you.
Oh STOP with the “he was a football player” crap already, making it sound like he was Refrigerator Perry! He was a painfully thin high school kid who played football.
:dubious::rolleyes:
To you, maybe. Whole lotta filling in going on there.
No, he didn’t describe Martin approaching him. So, no we don’t know that.
not really. GZ’s claim is supported by the police who are in charge of (and trained) to respond to legal matters. Not listing something is not the same as saying it didn’t happen. The mere fact that they were called indicates some kind of physical trauma.
No it doesn’t. It just indicates good police work.
It’s not a “guarantee” if you’re not willing to back it up…
And the good police who documented blood front and back of Zimmerman’s head called the EMT’s.
I bet a thousand quatloos!
It looks to me like Dooley has a pretty good chance to get a acquittal, but I need to see more of the evidence. I get the feeling there was a prior history between Dooley and James.
Did you notice another coincidence? The shooting happened at the Twin Lakes Subdivision.