OK. I’ll bet you $200 that the EMT report says there was both blood and cuts or abrasions on Zimmerman’s head.
Winner pays the loser when the EMT report is made public. If it is never made public by the time the trial verdict is reached, no winner and the bet’s a push.
What do you say?
Ex couch potato. Zimmerman went from being obese to being very fit.
I can only go with what has been reported in the press and by his surrogates, who presumably are reporting what Zimmerman had told them to.
I really don’t know what you need me to cite, though. That Zimmerman claimed his head was beaten on the sidewalk? That Martin punched him? These elements of Zimmermans statement are not in dispute.
The number is not as significant as the implication that “large man shoots little boy” which is what the pictures originally portrayed.
I haven’t lept on anything beyond what is presented in the news. I gave and specified an opinion based on that. I’m not engaged to it let alone married to it.
I could care less what happens beyond another Dukes Lacross lynching. This situation was inflamed way beyond need to the point racists offered bounties for Zimmerman.
I wish I could ge a piece of the action on the bet but it appears those people who are absolutely sure of stuff can’t be bothered to profit from their expertise.
Sorry, I have a thing with trusting lawyers when it comes to gambling (and plenty of other things). I’m just going on record to say that I think the EMT records fail to bear out Zimmerman’s story. If it turns out I’m wrong, I’ll gladly acknowledge that.
Zimmerman had a history of violence and rage issues. He beat his girlfriend and assaulted a cop.
Um - they are. You have no idea what Zimmerman said in his five hours of interrogation. All you have are press reporting on what other people speculated about what Zimmerman said. And you’re trying to find contradictions in what Zimmerman said without knowing what Zimmerman said.
Pick someone else on the board that you trust to hold the funds in escrow. We’ll both send that person the money ahead of time and agree to accept that person’s judgement on who the winner is.
I am not that hard up for cash Bricker. $200 bucks is not worth it to through all of that. And no I don’t want to up the wager.
Would that include hospital records that confirm a broken nose?
BUZZ!!! FAIL!
The differences aren’t “any shit that someone said in some article about something sometime that maybe mighta happened maybe not who knows its all just rumor anyway”
and
“proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law”
There’s things which are reliably true that we know from media reports or actual releases, such as the contents of the 911 calls and the police reports. These things are facts (meaning we know that it is a fact that the police report said X or the 911 phone call GZ made went like X, not we know for a fact anything in particular about the actual incident)that we know are correct so talking about them in those terms is entirely valid.
Anything about what Zimmerman’s story is? Pure speculation based on rumor and some extremely inconsistent reports from multiple people, leading us to be able to say that there’s some degree of truth to what we think we know (as far as what GZ calims, not whether its true) but way too much that is not known to say anything for certain.
Your statement:
Does not come close to ranking as something we can all agree is true, either as to the issue of Martin speaking to Zimmerman first, or even if that’s GZs actual claim. Because we really don’t know what GZ’s story is with any degree of certainty, there’s been too many conflicting reports and absolutely no solid information from a reliably accurate source.
So don’t try to lump everything together as equally valid, because it isn’t. Some things are definitely more reliably true than others.
I can’t make any sense out of the first part of your reply but there is no question that Zimmerman reported Martin was coming toward him. Unless you want to suggest he lied on the phone in a premeditated manner this is what was reported.
And unless his girlfriend mis-reported what we heard we have Martin starting the conversation. I’m sorry this doesn’t work in with your theory that Zimmerman was a racist who wanted to harm black people but that’s what has been reported so far.
If he has a demonstrated record that is admissible in court then Bricker can explain if and how it can be entered in testimony against him. Unless it’s documented then it will probably fall into the same category as Martin’s tweets and pictures sporting his fake gold teeth.
edit, there are a lot of things I think should be admissible in court that show character flaws but the Law doesn’t allow for it.
Why has Bricker turned into the Gambler all of a sudden?
Dayum… Magiver, you kinda suck at the most straightforward managing of information, man, no wonder you are so convinced about things.
Lookee what I said first:
Wow! That takes some pretty willful ignorin’ and sloppy postin’…
Who? What do they say?
No it doesn’t. It says “Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head” I got news for youse: that is not the description of even a single injury, much less injuries.
No, I’ve questioned the amount of blood at all, I haven’t made any case for massive amounts of blood. I’ve put forth the question of how much blood there was and what can be reliably inferred from the presence of blood alone and if it was a tiny amount. Blood does not automatically mean Zimmerman was telling the truth and Martin was pounding his head into concrete, and it would not be a reasonable inference for you to make, particularly when reviewed alongside other facts.
Your insistence that everything backs Zimmerman and we “know” this and that… you don’t even know what I’ve posted a few lines away from your post!
When you say that I have been inventing racist scenarios in my head, which I have clearly not ever been doing, methinks thou dost project one’s own internal scenario creation on to others…
Slow down, Magiver, you are just “racing” headlong into walls now (anyone catch that little pun there? heheheh)
Really? It just restates what you said to Bricker:
You seem to think that everything that we’ve heard is all equally valid to assert for the purposes of this thread because none of it has been proven in a court of law, which is, of course, a completely ridiculous idea.
Some things are almost total rumor.
Other things are lots of rumor and conflicting information from multiple soures.
Other things have some reliable support for some parts, while other parts are completely unsubstantiated.
And still other things are things which we can all agree are true because we know, such as what Zimmerman said in his call to the police.
Once more, with feeling:
Among the things that we know are factually true is what GZ said to the dispatcher, including:
True, obviously. So? What is it you think this means, since Zimmerman said, “He’s coming towards me” then “He’s running” (away, not towards him) What is it we’re supposed to understand from this?
Yes, in a manner and circumstances that strongly suggest that Zimmerman was approaching Martin, which is why Martin opened with a question about Zimmerman’s behavior.
Do you have a tic or something? Why in the world do you keep saying this when it is exactly the opposite of the truth?
I bet you’re sick of hearing this… But it depends.
The prosecution is generally free to amend their information to add additional, lesser-included offenses. A lesser-included offense is what you’re picturing as “down the ladder,” I think.
The jury can’t do this on their own. When they get the case, they can only answer ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’ to each charge they’ve been given.
So to some extent, this becomes a strategy game. The prosecution may not wish to charge manslaughter, reasoning that if they do, the jury will compromise on that charge. If the jury has the choice between second degree murder and outright acquittal, the prosecution may hope they will choose murder, or they may worry that they will deadlock or outright acquit.
That is a fair concern, but how realistic it is depends on the full set of evidence… which we don’t yet know.
So… You’ll “bet” that the EMT report doesn’t show an abrasion and blood on Zimmerman’s head.
But you won’t bet with me because you don’t trust me. You won’t use a third person as escrow.
Ok. Only I will use the escrow. You can do nothing until the bet is decided, and then send me the money if you lose. I will send the stakes to a person you trust, and that person will either return the stakes to me if I win, or give the money to you if you win. You need to do nothing except send me the money if you lose.
What do you say now?
I am taking no position on the nose.
Wow, I just got done posting I wasn’t sure of anything and don’t care what the outcome is.