I don’t agree that following a stranger with a loaded gun in your holster is an act which is imminently dangerous to another and disregards human life.
Has any Florida court ever found that following a person while simply possessing a loaded gun is per se imminently dangerous to another and disregards human life? Or is this an ooohhh-guns-are-scary-bad moment?
We can infer that he was walking by the sound of his breathing and other movements. Listen to the tape again. He doesn’t sound stationary at all.
Why are you saying this so matter of factly?
If Zimmerman couldn’t tell what street he was on without getting out of his truck and despite patrolling those streets for over a year (and it doesn’t sound like a backwater street either, but a major thoroughfare since it was near the clubhouse), then the guy has no business carrying a gun, let alone driving or being outside after dark unattended. But you have no problem accepting this retarded man’s statement at face value. For some reason I am not surprised.
Yes, he did. I noticed that as well. C’mon, folks, lets work with the facts as they’ve been reported, no embellishing necessary.
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And THIS part of his story is laughably ridiculous…or would be if Trayvon wasn’t dead.
Since when does the fact that one man has just shot another dead i the middle of the streeet NOT constitute probable cause to arrest him? Did we all get teansported back to the OK Corral or something?
Exactly!
And that would certainly be one way to defend against the charge, but that is a completely different matter than requiring the prosecution to prove intent, and that was your argument, have you forgotten so quickly?
Not in the slightest. I just wanted to make sure that your effort to frame the facts of this case as “following a stranger with a loaded gun in your hand, never mind confronting him directly” was caught and rebutted. That claim can be discussed as a hypo about second degree murder if you wish; there is no evidence it applies to this case.
Yes, you’re right, I don’t see where he said that.
OK, if you want to quibble about that. He was told, once, not to pursue the suspect, and then told, meet the policeman at this location. If you want to split hairs, you can say that the words “don’t follow the suspect” were only pronounced once.
She actually hears Martin saying that Zimmerman is chasing hm. Which is the opposite of what Zimmerman claims.
I never contended that. You are putting words in my mouth. I am contending that, based on what we know now, Zimmerman is lying, and there is evidence to show that his story is a fabrication. In addition, at what point did the police know of the phone call? Did they only know about it when they heard of it in the news, at the same time I did in this thread? The shooting happened 26 February. Either the police knew about it before now, and decided to believe Zimmerman anyway, or else they never knew about it. In which case their investigation was pretty shoddy - wouldn’t you think to check the phone calls or the texts sent by a teenager who was holding a cell phone? And people in this thread want us to trust that, if the police don’t charge someone, obviously they are right and we are wrong, since the police know so much more than we do.
In any case, I can’t help but notice you keep on evading the question, do you find Zimmerman’s story credible? Do you still think, based on what we know, that there is not sufficient evidence to charge him? I know lawyer types hate admitting to something that goes against their defense plans, so the thing is to keep quibbling about minor details and avoid the major issue. In a forum like this, I’m not going to call it dishonest debating, but it sure doesn’t make me think that the person is trying to be impartial.
He sounds agitated, but I can’t hear anything to make me believe he’s out of his truck.
Sorry. i have tried to be careful about adding phrases like, “…according to him…” or “…as a reasonable possibility…” but failed to do so there. You’re quite correct to call me on it…
…but I have to say, having conceded my error, that you’ve peppered this thread with matter-of-fact pronouncements that cast Zimmerman’s conduct in a negative light. It seems to me you’d want to work on the log in your eye now that the speck in mine has been identified.
If he was on a major through street, he may well have not known the name of the small cross street. I’ve lived in a small city all my adult life and don’t know every small side street name.
I don’t accept it at face value, but I don’t find it inherently incredible either.
I think Bricker is saying that Zimmerman was following the teenager in his truck, then got out of his truck to see the street sign, and then kept on following the teenager on foot.
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In the transcript you quoted the first “unintelligible” you’re missing sure sounds like “coon.”
There aren’t enough :rolleyes: in the world to respond to this.
I don’t know… because I don’t know what, exactly, Zimmerman’s story is.
This has been the problem all along. The police must have interviewed him. They took notes, or, more likely, recorded his statement. I want to know what he said during that interview. And I want to know how it matches up with the other evidence.
For example, the girl Martin was on the phone with has come forward, but only after the story went national. I wonder if her recollection of the phone call is colored by the very obvious and very strong public pressure surrounding this case. But for purposes of this analysis, I’d accept it as genuine and see if it fits with Zimmerman’s recorded statement to police.
This is why I jumped on your claim that Zimmerman contradicted himself. So far as I can tell from available sources, he hasn’t.
Haven’t you seen headlines that say things like, “Legal experts say Florida’s law could make Zimmerman prosecution impossible?”
This is why.
This is extremely out of line for this forum, Shodan. This is a warning, don’t do this again. If you need to speak this harshly again to another poster, feel free to send them a message or take them to the Pit.
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Not to me.
So pretty much, your fallback position is, we know what the police chief says is Zimmerman’s story, but they might have some other hidden evidence exculpating him, so I don’t know what the proper course of action is. Maybe they have other hidden evidence that makes his case worse? Could that be true too?
If you don’t think we know enough of the story to be able to determine what should happen, I’m surprised you’re even here in this thread saying that the police didn’t have enough evidence to charge Zimmerman. You should be saying “the police may or may not have had enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, people that saying he should have been arrested may or may not be right, Zimmerman may or may not have murdered Martin in cold blood, I have no idea what the truth is.”
Strong Language.
And so do we all.
The police chief himself said that Zimmerman’s story was that he (Zimmerman) was returning to his truck and that Martin jumped him from behind. The girl on the phone with Martin says that Martin told her that Zimmerman was following him. The fact that you want to sweep this under the cover, and claim there is no contradiction here, shows me that you are hopelessly biased in favor of Zimmerman. You will believe things in the press I see that seem to confirm Zimmerman’s story or exculpate him, things that throw doubt in his story obviously need to be verified more diligently.
Could, not would. Do those legal experts have access to all the evidence?
Let me ask you this - if in this case Zimmerman’s prosecution is impossible, what is your opinion of the “Stand Your Ground” laws?
Now that I think back, maybe you didn’t specifically say “the police didn’t have enough evidence to charge Zimmerman.” I don’t have time to go through this multiple page thread right now to check. (Just preparing for the preemptive defense of “I never said those exact words”.)
Did anybody else look at a map of this subdivision? It is pretty small. It only has three streets in it.
So it totally makes sense that Zimmerman didn’t know what street he was on!
Correcting link to my previous post. I think both the song and video are excellent. Uses Jay-Z/ Kanye Track “No Church in the Wild”.