That is very different than, “We don’t want yer kind 'round here boy”
For effect, read in a redneck drawl with 5 others in the background just out of focus.
Huh. Would you mind sharing what are some of the “far left” positions you espouse?
Please explicate the TLA.
They metabolize carbon, and insist on relying on breathable oxygen to survive. Are you going to characterize those properties as wrong?
When I quote something from here, I don’t call this a “leftist” board, I call it a board full of smart people.
And thanks to those those smart people, with their secret weapons (logic and cites), I’m MUCH less conservative than when I got here.
So maybe some of our conservatives aren’t leaving, they’re being turned …
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I thought I was one before I got here, but I ran into logical fallacies pretty quickly.
I went to a self-styled Libertarian college (Hillsdale), and there were people there who were so enamored of privatization that they honestly believed that America would be stronger if, when you woke up to flames in your house, you paused and thought “Y’know, Chuck’s Fire Department™ has some good reviews, but Fink’s Fire-B-Gone® is having a two-for-one sale…”
The tl;dr version would be decrying onerous taxes and regulations, but also favoring abortion rights and legalization of weed, religious freedom, trans rights.
[PSA]Toe the line.[/PSA]
He cited warnings? Where?
I’m in 100% agreement with a Der_Trihs post? Somebody log the date and time!
pfffft. Quitter.
I posted this list in another thread:
I can give you Russell Kirk’s answer from The Kirk Center Ten Conservative Principles | The Russell Kirk Center
First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent.
Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity
Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription.
Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence.
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety
Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability
Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked.
Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.
Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society.
Can anyone connect the supposed “conservatives” that left or were kicked out to the principles listed above? I certainly can’t.
You noticed that too?
That list reflects the Democratic Party today a lot more than Republicans.
By that definition I’m a libertarian. Are you sure you want me to set the standard?
Yes, I imagine it can be pretty demanding. It’s part of why I always appreciated Bricker’s participation. He clearly used the pushback he got here as a tool to hone his own rhetorical skills (even if he was wrong most of the time), and he was generous with esoteric knowledge.
Are you two still at it?
Geez, get a room!
I think the attitudes of conservatives in this thread show why they don’t last long here. The views they support end up harming and victimizing others but when confronted about that, they act like they are the ones who were harmed or victimized. And they can’t even come up with evidence to support their claims, relying on everyone to just trust them. Calling them snowflakes was very accurate.
As much as some people on this board seem to dislike Der_Trihs, they are right with their assessment of conservatives and the danger they represent to this country. They are trying to take away my civil rights, and that makes them my enemy.
I’m well aware of the Libertarian experiment. I was living in NH at the time.
What follows is. of course, just my opinion/observations having lived up that way for 20 years. Note that I’m using libertarian in a very vague sense. The same way I’d describe myself, and not full-on let’s privatize Fire Departments and the FDA Libertarianism:
Vermont has a lot of hippies. These are people who want to see all people treated with kindness and respect. It’s also a place that values individualism and gun rights. They’re the blue version of libertarian. But they do like being left to smoke their weed and be free from hassle.
New Hampshire loves guns and hates taxes with a passion. It’s the redder version of NE Those keep the state from ever going too far Democrat. However, as I recall, NH was the first state where the legislature voted in favor of SSM without a precipitating court case. It’s also tied for least religious state in the union, so none of the current Republican Evangelical Nuttery carries sway there, and I think their hearts are right but their brains are left. So their governors and US Senators are as likely to be Democrat as Republican.
But you know, in another thread I think it was you who asked me to define principled conservatism, and I’d say that NH is at least somewhat what I would say. There’s no cruelty, gun laws are lax but they don’t have much gun crime, NH definitely manages its finances well and keeps taxes low, admittedly with limited services available.
I am biased. I was born in MA, moved to NH because I was young and could afford a house there, came back to MA for work, but my heart (and hopefully my retired ass) will always be in NH.
The problem is that we’re aware of the rest of Der_Tris’s posting history and the bizarrely negative paranoia exhibited. So any skepticism should be understandable.
A blind squirrel might find a nut now and then, but that doesn’t mean you should forget that it’s blind.
It also sucks to be ignored, under certain circumstances. On this board, I’ve had a few positions that were either ignored or dismissed as unimportant, only for years later people to come out with these positions as if they’d just thought of them. But that takes too long for a payout to be viscerally annoying. What’s worse was the once or twice when I posted a considered opinion that was contrary to the general feeling in the thread, only to be not only completely ignored, but, later on in the thread, someone used my very specific example to argue the exact opposite point that I was making, without refuting or even referring to my post.
Really, now!
And Czarcasm, come on, would you (and others around here) have really just let them have the “last” word?
If it ever happens, we’ll find out, won’t we?
Do you feel up to it, and are you volunteering?
TIA.
I wouldn’t characterize myself as disliking Der_Trihs. I consider the way he uses the word conservative to be overbroad (and therefore wrong), and I don’t respect it, but I think of dislike as too strong a word.
I think he (he/him, right?) is great, and I certainly agree with his political positions 90%+ of the time. But he can be just a wee bit OTT at times. Un petit peu. 
REALLY?
I’m done with it. Got him on iggy so I don’t even see his replies.