On economic issues, I’m very Bernie-AOC-ish, if anything, I feel Bernie and AOC actually don’t go far enough. UBI, universal healthcare, high taxes of the rich, high minimum wage, salary cap for employers (i.e., the highest-paid employee cannot make more than 100x the lowest-paid,) environmentalism, cheap-but-not-free college, prison reform, justice reform, more generous unemployment insurance, Social Security, etc. I would also like to see the Second Amendment repealed and nearly all private guns confiscated.
On social issues, though, I’m still very much on the right. Affirmative action, DEI, transgender views, political correctness, strong national defense, etc.
One peeve with Der is that the bar to say they failed in their predictions is so basic (“I haven’t been exterminated and the nukes didn’t fly!”) there’d be no satisfaction in it.
At the very least collectivization of the Means of Production, I suppose. Social Democracy is not far left anywhere… except in USA elective politics.
But let’s gather our wits and get back on track, people, the question was supposed to be about what happened to conservatives, not about whether or not those of us remaining here would get along better with Trotsky.
I maintain that what’s being politely termed as being “fatigued from being in the minority” is better described as “fatigued by the effort of striving to be factual and not acting like an asshole, and/or pointing out that lots of posters are just as bad as me.”
To be fair there’s also the fact that with the board skewing liberal, their misbehaviors (probably) get called out for moderation more frequently.
However I’d suggest that the easy way to get around that is by making the very minimal effort of not being an asshole, and not making shit up. But that’s not the kind of discussion they enjoy. They really prefer stepping on toes and then pointing out that everybody else steps on toes too and claim that if you can’t police everyone for stepping on toes, then nobody should be policed for it, and we should just tolerate an environment where everyone steps on toes, and if that’s not what you want, then that’s anti-conservative persecution.
Anyway, nothing of value has been lost here. Prior to the Trump years I’d have been the first to argue that liberalism benefits from a healthy counterbalance of ideas. But in the era of Trump, this idea no longer obtains. Conservatism equals Republicanism which equals Trumpism. That faction has taken off the mask, there’s no value in pretending there’s a good-faith merit-based conversation to be had.
See, I would’ve thought the libertarian position on trans rights would be, if someone tells you that they identify as female, you shrug and say, “well, that’s your right,” and if someone else says “but I believe that person is male,” you shrug and say “well, that’s your right.”
UBI is pretty far-left.
Confiscating guns is a bizarre one for me. Normally dictatorships are anti-gun so the citizens cannot rise up in revolt so I wouldn’t normally say it is either left or right but we in the USA are so used to left = gun control; right = is hitting your target that I guess complete gun confiscation is far left. But then again, the far right is anti-Bill-of-Rights so wouldn’t that be a MAGA position?
I think that this board has a healthy diversity of ideas. We might not notice it as much because most posters here are not jerks and we can have interesting discussions without being acrimonious.
The “problem” is that people who call themselves conservative don’t have ideas–they only have partisan dogma. Anyone who is willing to engage in ideas has already stepped away from the right wing.
No. The person is who they are along the gender/sex spectrum. Other saying they are not is anti-libertarianism and they do not have a right to use their view against the person. Libertarianism (at least as I view it) is the rights of one person cannot interfere with the rights of another.
Then allow me to amend my response:
I maintain that none of those issues is legitimately characterized as both “far left” and “generally advocated by a statistically significant number of progressives.”
Right, must avoid the pitfall of the “expectation of unanimity”/“if you are for A you must be for B thru Z” debate phenomenon I mentioned before.
… can be calling themselves “conservative” in a manner similar to how self-described “Nice Guys™” call themselves nice guys. And whine about it just as much when you tell them they’re full of it.
Seriously in many issues I have been frustrated by trying to get people on the Right to explain to me “exactly what are you trying to conserve?”
Correct. I consider the Democrats to be the actual “small ‘c’ conservative” party. The Republicans are radical reactionaries, fascists and just plain lunatics. But they’ve so thoroughly managed to identify the conservative “brand” for themselves that pointing out that the Democrats are the actual conservatives just confuses the issue under most circumstances.
That’s a myth; many dictators like Saddam Hussein don’t care about citizens owning guns, and it doesn’t help the people rebel. Organization is what matters, not guns; a mob loses to an army, guns or not. Gun control was instituted by the Americans when they took over because of America’s gun obsession, not by Saddam.
More or less, given that “far” is usually used as a synonym for “authoritarian”. Because that’s really the distinguishing feature of those regimes; not the extremity of their beliefs, but that they are willing to enforce those beliefs ruthlessly. I know leftists who are at least as extreme and irrational in their beliefs, but who don’t believe in forcing them on people and are thus mostly a danger only to themselves and anyone they directly convince.