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But it was very witty and would have caused him to declare my superior knowledge to one and all.
Really!
You can make the request, but I decline to reveal my identity to you.
If you have specific questions about any statement I made regarding the accessibility, contents, or even existence of various record types, ask away, and I shall be happy to point you to citations in the appropriate professional literature or other resources for more information.
Seems to me the folks most hurt by slavery… are the ones that basically can’t get their act together today. And these are the ones that would benefit the most from a big cash payment.
But people who can’t get their act together are not known for doing anything productive when they get a load of money.
A couple years down the road we’d be right back to where we started.
It might even hurt the black cause. Because then you’d have a bunch of folks pointing out that big payout and asking what more do you want?
Wait, what? I detailed a reparation situation that doesn’t involve payments. It was the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act; these were, in my view, imperfect but suitable reparations for 400 years of mistreatment. To my knowledge, no Civil Rights legislation issued payments to aggrieved parties, rather, these pieces of legislation simply codified into law a recognition past and present discrimination in employment, housing, and in interstate commerce.
Well, it does request money to appropriate to the study. Does that count?
The hypothetical findings of H.R 40 does not necessarily lead to (C) or (D). It could be, in theory, that the findings of H.R 40 would support the viewpoint that present day African-Americans have not measurably suffered from slavery and Jim Crow. Unfortunately, we won’t know until a study has been done.
When I look at the legislation, I don’t see the central goal to issue payments to individuals. Do you? Moreover, you say that it is “central to most”, what do you mean “most”. Most of what? Most legislation? Most reparation legislation? If it’s the latter, what other reparation legislative actions regarding African-Americans (or any other aggrieved party) are there to compare H.R 40 to?
I don’t think its none of your business what people do what their money. Mind thy own business or endeavor not to make everyone else’s business your own. Whichever is easier. If those payments are squandered, then they are squandered (and no more money should be given), but to throw the baby out with the bathwater because *someone * might not spend the money the way you want them too, is silly. God knows that TARP money was squandered on undue bonuses to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.
What is your personal experience with the poor in this regard? Did you hear this on Fox News? Is this from experience from your poor, downtrodden brothers and sisters mired in inescapable poverty in Appalachia? Or, perhaps, are you simply extrapolating what occurs to individuals who win the lottery? Where do you base this belief (that the poor would squander the money on cars, trips, and non-essential items)? I want to know.
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Who the fuck do you think you are? African-Americans don’t value education? Really? You’re no better than that clown who parrots about blacks having a low IQ in every thread (then flies away in mortal terror). The ethnocentrism shines brightly within you, especially when you make the backward-ass comment that blacks don’t value education “as [the] white and Asian” communities do. Where the hell do you get this crap from? This is a serious question.
Speaking of the unparallelled grace and ambition of whites and Asians, last I heard, a half-white, half-Asian dude went on a murderous rampage because he wasn’t getting laid. Indeed, perhaps ethnocentrism is genetic, because the half-Asian, half-White dude sardonically referred to a black student as “ugly black filth” in his manifesto. Don’t worry, his actions and words do not reflect poorly on your perfect, impeccable, knowledge-seeking culture, he was simply “mentally ill” and a “lone wolf”.
(in order of response)
(1) I am glad you think they should apologize. We agree on something. (2) No, I am not bigger than that. (3) I do care that they haven’t. (4) Yes, it would mean a lot if the previous slave-holding States apologized. It would provide closure.
Blacks and Jews are different. One is told he is descended from Ham (See Curse of Ham) while the other is told they are God’s chosen people. One is told success is a reflection of their birthright and innate intelligence and while the other one is told they are mired in the swamp of their stuttering IQs (See Bell Curve). One is expected to succeed by leaps and bounds as lawyers, doctors, bankers and engineers (See Jewish Exceptionalism) while the other is expected to fail miserably at the above. In response, society has bent over backwards to contort to this line of thinking. Society has carved a nearly inescapable niche for blacks as entertainers, servants, artists, and showmen. If you’re going to compare blacks to any other group, compare us to the Native Americans or the Palestinians. We’re denigrated because we’re darker while being dismissed and mocked if we’re smart (See The Delaney Sisters, Malcolm X, Obama and Fox News, etc).
- Honesty
I don’t care about your identity, slash2k. Trust me, I am not going to jump in my Gundam mobile suit and come rob you. You’re safer than a safe in a bank. I want[ed] you to show you have the education and training that’s expected of a genealogy researcher who ostensibly performs extensive research on African-American genealogy. It’s clear we’re at an impasse, so I won’t bother you in this regard. I’ll step over that and ask you this: what do you think about genetic genealogy? That is, do you believe that blacks could be identified using genetic markers rather than wholly relying on Census and housing records.
Thank you.
- Honesty
P.S. Czarcasm, replying to this thread took a bit longer than intended. Will resurrect the thread to address your concerns regarding Candyland later today or tomorrow. I have not forgotten about you, my friend. 
Don’t bother, unless you have something new to add to it.
Ok.
If reparations were made in the 1960s, then, why are we discussing them again?
Could not one just as easily say one is told some of the more outlandish Afrocentrist theories, while the other is told they bear the Blood Curse as Christ-killers?
When did I ever claim to be a genealogy researcher who performs extensive research on African-American genealogy? Either you’ve got me confused with somebody else, or you are sticking words in my mouth.
What are you seeking to prove with genetics (that is, what question are you hoping to answer via DNA)? Genetics can tell you who is related to whom; it won’t tell you whether they lived in a redlined neighborhood.
We’re discussing them again because ya’ll dismantled those “reparations” immediately following MLK’s death (See Bakke, Gratz v. Bollinger, Shuette v. BAMN, Shelby County v. Holder, etc etc).
You could, but it would be all gum and no teeth.
- Honesty
P.S. Edit: I see your new post. Will respond to your most recent post tomorrow or tonight. I gotta go.
Honesty has been here long enough to know that it is against the rules to announce who is on one’s Ignore list, so her Warning was earned.
However trailing up the thread to find what prompted her statement, we find this direct insult against her.
This, too, earns a Warning. Do not insult other posters. Do not use the usernames of other posters to create insults.
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You dodged the question.
You can prove the descendants of slavery and Jim Crow using genetics. The first step would be to exhume the slaves and people white people killed/mistreated. The next step would be to gather tissue samples and use a Southern Blot to determine the DNA sequence. The final step would be to match polymorphisms from the descendants of slavery with present day African-Americans. By using genetics, one can focus specifically on those descendants of slaves and offer them reparations. This could be done scientifically and I can prove it, however, whether it can be politically done is whole thing altogether. Keep in mind, you guys can’t even run a government without it shutting down every year. George Washington - you know that guy you guys put on a pedestal - would be terribly disappointed.
Also, would you mind providing some of your didactic training as a genealogist? I am, for example, a biologist, and I could provide a list of pertinent science classes I’ve taken from undergrad to graduate school without revealing my identity. If you could do so, it would be appreciated.
Thanks a bunch.
- Honesty
There is only one proper response for your “first step”- :eek:
Your second step would be incredibly costly in both time and money.
And we’re back to thinking people deserve to get paid because their great, great, great grandfather had a shitty life.
Can you imagine what it would take in time and money to first find the graves of all those slaves, then get permission to dig up all those graves, and then process all those DNA tests? Just this once, Honesty, instead of just waving off all this with a generic “Sure, it will be expensive, but…”, can you give us just a rough estimate of how much money all this might cost and how long it might take to complete the job?
And please list your qualifications in the field of economics.
Honesty has been suspended.
I’m going to lock this down as it’s largely been Honesty vs all comers. If Honesty likes s/he can open a similar thread upon coming off suspension.