Most likely because there was nothing to any of these “scandals”.
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Liberals: The “scandals” regarding President Obama were made-up partisan attacks. The “scandals” regarding President Trump are real and need to be investigated fully.
Conservatives: The “scandals” regarding President Obama were real and needed to be investigated fully. The “scandals” regarding President Trump are made-up partisan attacks.
I give props to adaher for admitting that President Trump’s “scandals” should be investigated fully. If they are must made-up partisan attacks, that will become clear. The trouble with Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch comes from the fact that too often it becomes a partisan fight, where each side stakes out extreme positions before any oversight is even accomplished. “My guy” is great, “your guy” is a scoundrel.
Those of us in the center, who have no dog in the fight besides wanting to know the truth, get somewhat tired of this silliness.
Ah, one of the noble equivocators, boldly standing up to avoid taking a stand on anything. We salute you! 
All kidding aside, the difference that you are overlooking here is that the so-called scandals of the Obama administration were investigated. Repeatedly. And nothing was ever found. Because there was nothing to find. And the Republicans in Congress would get those results … and then ignore them, starting a new investigation, because even though they knew there was nothing to find, there were headlines to be generated, dammit!
Whereas this Russia mess around the Trump campaign just gets deeper as it is investigated.
So, yeah, the two situations are totally analogous, if you ignore all facts and reason!
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Also :
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Chaffetz always had a reputation for honesty and reaching out to the other side.
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PFFTHAHAHA! Thanks, I needed that.
I think he just doesn’t want to be tied up in the eventual impeachment process. The hearings thus far have not turned out to favor him the way he thought they would. And it’s probable that the public is not going to like Pence as much as they think they will.
An incompetent and embarrassing Trump may be better than the Christian* Sharia Pence and company have in mind for us.
*They are actually Levites, not Christians, but they persist in using the wrong word.
Tell us again, what *did *they find?
Then when will it be time for you to start demanding of your guys that they do the job they took oaths to do?
It is completely inaccurate to say that nothing was found, but it’s good to see that Cummings did his job well.
There was nothing rising to the level of anything the last few Presidents had done, that much is true. Obama had the least scandal-filled Presidency of most of our lifetimes. But the government is big, people misbehave, and Presidents often fail to make preventing that a priority. Obama was as guilty of that as anyone and that’s why we have oversight. But the Democrats didn’t want to provide oversight.
The Benghazi investigations found that Republicans cut the security budget for the State Department, but I don’t see how Obama is “as guilty of that as anyone.”
I know that Ambassador Stevens has now achieved mythic stature, but I think he was partially responsible for his own demise in going to Benghazi in the first place. Why go to a consulate in a country with an embryonic, unstable government rather than stay in Tripoli where at least he might have had more of a chance?
That’s not fair. Only killers are responsible for murder. He took a risk, that he apparently believed was worth it, to serve his country and the Libyans. It’s a tragedy that it ended with his death, and his bravery and dedication should be commended.
Stop equivocating. The supposed scandals with Obama were objectively less important than the ones on Trump. The reason we say they are partisan attacks is because there was nothing there that was actually scandalous to discuss. What importance there was had already been investigated.
Trump is accused of far, far worse things than anything Obama was accused of. And every available evidence actually indicates he’s actually done these bad things. Obama was accused of relatively minor things, and even those things tended not to be all that bad, even if they had been true. Benghazi at most would at most mean that Clinton made a mistake, for example.
And you need to remember that we are not talking about a Republican. We are talking about Trump. Trump is evil. Obama was not. Bush was not. Clinton was not. Bush Sr. was not. Reagan was not. Carter was not. And I can keep going back until Nixon, who was.
That’s what we are facing here. “The president is above the law” type stuff. That’s completely different from any of what we’ve faced before.
Stop defending Trump. Stop defending evil. You can’t say you are in the center when you are defending an objectively evil man.
This may be true, but was the risk wise? The former Libyan government had only recently been overthrown, the new government was embryonic, and security was known to be uncertain. It seems to me that the US jumped the gun in trying to act like Libya was a place where business could be conducted safely.
I think that Chaffetz is resigning because he has political ambitions and if he was to actually do the right thing and investigate the president, it would harm his personal ambitions to be governor of Utah.
Chaffetz is a party hack who was very happy to pursue fabricated investigations of Clinton, but in his current position, people actually expect him to investigate the real crimes of Trump. That is not in Chaffetz’s interest, so he is resigning before Trump is impeached. Once that dust settles he can resume his fetid climb up the GOP ladder.
It’s utterly absurd to suggest the situations are equal. Their guy is, in fact, a scoundrel, and “my guy” was, in fact, as scandal free as any modern president could be.
It only seems like a partisan dig because the GOP voters were stupid enough to elect a con-man ignoramus as president.
Being in the center doesn’t mean ignoring the malfeasance from one side. Any centrist should see Trump as a garbage fire.
Agreed Lobohan, saying “both sides do it” is not a centrist position, it is a right wing position and it requires actively remaining ill-informed. The head of Trump’s NSA resigned after evidence emerged of unreported contacts with a foreign government and today we learn that he probably broke the law. Anyone who thinks that is business as usual in our government has not been paying attention.
Ok, please, this does you no good.
I’m not a supporter of the President. I thought it was a mistake to elect him, for a variety of reasons. Indeed, if you were to read my Facebook page, you’d see that I was very, very opposed to his candidacy. I think he is unqualified, and I think he has expressed some opinions (either through actual words, or through his actions) that are reprehensible.
That does not make him “evil.” Adolf Hitler was “evil”. There are other people in history who were “evil”. But being a person who has viewpoints that are wrong does not make a person “evil.” And this sort of shrill statement is exactly the sort of statement that was being referenced in the other thread as coming from “liberals” who can’t seem to discuss the political situation without similar hyperbole, hyperbole which does nothing to convince others to adopt your viewpoints on what should be done.
What’s in his heart matters fuck all. He’s a black box that’s causing evil, and advocating evil. If the gears on the inside are only doing it because of stiffing ignorance and gullibility that doesn’t matter. From the outside he’s a force for evil.
Not that I grant that he’s just stupid. His stupidity is a factor, but this is a guy who thinks grabbing a pussy without permission is a-ok, because he’s rich and famous. Trump is like any angry grandfather FOX News type, in that he is in a rage because of misinformation, but he’s also ignorant and a petulant, vengeful child.
Boo fucking hoo if someone calls him evil. His evil is the least of his problems. At least Nixon could govern without stumbling like a clown.
You’re right, that’s the least.
Hitler is not the standard for evil, he’s one of the most evil people to have ever existed. Trump can be evil and not be anywhere close to Hitler. And holy shit, of course he fucking is.
I read something once, maybe on this very board, that has stuck with me for years; nobody goes through their life saying that they are evil, but lots of people say that they’re good while doing evil things. This is a guy who’s worth, depending on who you believe, at least a couple billion dollars, but would stiff a contractor at his casino for a few hundred thousand. He can spin it however he wants, “oh, maybe I wasn’t happy with the work”, but Trump cares about Trump. He takes what he wants, up front, and will fuck over the people who expect him to behave decently.
I don’t know if that meets your definition of evil, but it’s a pretty good start on mine.
There’s also the obsession with causing pain to those who slight him or even just fail to support him:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-trump-still-eyeing-payback-against-his-critics
Sounds like evil to me.