Why is Czarcasm a moderator?

[Clothahump]

@Marley23

As far how he got to be a moderator… let’s just say he has pictures. Pictures that would be very damaging to certain people if they ever saw the light of day. Catch my drift?

Cecil…and a goat. Nothing more really needs to be said.

[Frank]

@valleyofthedolls

I gave a link to the threads because they should be read in their entirety.

If Czarcasm’s posts (as a moderator) are as indicative as you believe of his bullying posters who do not agree with his opinions, a direct link to the posts concerned is not too much to ask.

As a former IMHO moderator, I , for one, have no interest in reading another one of those fucking pit bull threads that I would have probably at first sight have moved to the Pit.

[Nametag]

Because he inhibits reactions?

[valleyofthedolls]

@tomndebb

I have read the entire thread, (and providing links to posts does not prevent that, in any way), and I have found no evidence of the claims you have made. If you are going to make accusations against a Mod for bad behavior, then it is incumbent on you to indicate where that bad behavior occurred. If you cannot be bothered to do that, then the rest of us should feel no compulsion to believe that you are not just making up your claims.

I have linked to the thread in question and believe it should be read in its entirety. Czarcasm is, after, all moderating over the entire thead not just particular posts. If you find nothing wrong with the thread then we will have to agree to disagree. If you or anyone else believe that I am “making up my claims” then that’s fine as well. As I said before, I am not under the illusion that this thread will change anything, I simply wanted to post for the record that I think he conflates his personal views with his moderating duties and don’t believe this should be tolerated (even though it will).

And Sleeps With Butterflies, if you dislike my writing, don’t read my posts. Problem solved.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

Czarcasm only moderates IMHO. If you dislike his/her moderating, don’t post in that forum. Problem solved.
Gosh, it is as easy as you make it look

[Frank]

@valleyofthedolls

… I simply wanted to post for the record that I think he conflates his personal views with his moderating duties and don’t believe this should be tolerated …

You have shown no evidence to support this thesis.

[tomndebb]

@valleyofthedolls

I have linked to the thread in question and believe it should be read in its entirety. Czarcasm is, after, all moderating over the entire thead not just particular posts. If you find nothing wrong with the thread then we will have to agree to disagree. If you or anyone else believe that I am “making up my claims” then that’s fine as well. As I said before, I am not under the illusion that this thread will change anything, I simply wanted to post for the record that I think he conflates his personal views with his moderating duties and don’t believe this should be tolerated (even though it will).

I have already noted that I have read the entire thread. That you cannot be bothered to point out which of the several emotionally neutral posts from Czarcasm you consider to be abusive leaves me with the conclusion that you are simply making it up.

Fine. You are now on record–as someone who wants to disparage the Moderators without actually having a reason to do so.

[Sleeps_With_Butterflies]

@Frank

You have shown no evidence to support this thesis.

I’ll give her credit, though. She’s very tenacious. She hangs in there like a pitbull attacking!

[Sapo]

@tomndebb

Fine. You are now on record–as someone who wants to disparage the Moderators without actually having a reason to do so.

Welcome to the database, we have brownies.

[valleyofthedolls]

@tomndebb

I have already noted that I have read the entire thread. That you cannot be bothered to point out which of the several emotionally neutral posts from Czarcasm you consider to be abusive leaves me with the conclusion that you are simply making it up.

And I have already noted that we’ll have to agree to disagree here. And again, as I have already noted, if you choose to believe that I am “making things up” that’s fine as well. I can’t think of why you would want to retread the same territory other than it’s important for you to get the last word. I left first grade long ago, so consider any reply you make after this a win with which to pat yourself on the shoulder.

@tomndebb

Fine. You are now on record–as someone who wants to disparage the Moderators without actually having a reason to do so.

Ooh, how terribly scary. And it’s moderator singular and yes, I do have a valid complaint. Glad that’s settled. I know I feel better for it.

[Serenata67]

Because a moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at him.

You thought moderator-power derives from a mandate from the masses? Sorry.

[Princhester]

@Serenata67

Because a moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at him.

Help! Help! Valleyofthedolls is being oppressed!

[Darth_Sensitive]

@Sleeps_With_Butterflies

I’ll give her credit, though. She’s very tenacious. She hangs in there like a pitbull attacking!

Sleeps, you make me giggle.

[picunurse]

Face it, dog people are hard headed. They get upset if you don’t like dogs, they get upset if you don’t like their dog.

[Contrapuntal]

@picunurse

Face it, dog people are hard headed. They get upset if you don’t like dogs, they get upset if you don’t like their dog.

No, we get upset if you lie about dogs. I couldn’t give two shits what you think of my dogs.

[Irishman]

Read the first thread.

Topic: “What is the absolute worst dog for a family to own?”

Mr. Kobayashi posted:

The obvious ones; Pitbull and Rottweiler.

And posts a list from some random site. No real justification given, but it’s an opinion.

Acid Lamp commented in part:

As we’ve noted in any number of “evil pitbull threads”, you can make a list go any way you’d like depending on the criteria.

Someone else questions the validity of that site, saying it lists other dog breeds “particularly known for being good with children”.

valleyofthedolls said:

That said the OP’s question is hard to quantify since problem dogs are usually a people problem not a canine one. Most dogs behave badly because of a lack of socialization and training.

And maybe another post or two along those lines.

Then Mr. Kobayashi posts:

Oh, for god’s sake. I’ve literally got no dog in this fight, but pit-bull terriers (and Japanese Tosas, Dogo Argentinos and Fila Brazilieroares) are illegal in the UK without exception, whereas other breeds are not. So make of that what you will.

So he is now offering justification for his opinion, whatever the merits or lack of that justification.

Tamerlane comes in with an attempt to explain what is and is not illegal in the UK and how the label “pit bull” is too vague to be useful.

Mr. Kobayashi continues to post justification for the opinion based upon media publicity and breed bans, ending with:

I may well be talking crap, or the news may be misinforming, or some other cause like confusion over the specifics of the pit-bull breed - in which case consider ignorance fought. Although again looking at breed-specific laws worldwide a common factor is restrictions on pit-bull breeds, which means either that this breed is restricted for a good reason or that there’s some bizarre worldwide conspiracy against them. Again I’m fully prepared for the possibility that I may be talking nonsense, in which case by all means speak to the truth. Although in my humble opinion it seems unlikely that this breed is…ideal for children given their history.

Acid Lamp responds to that with explanation why “bizarre worldwide conspiracy” is not an inaccurate description.

ivan askitov then quotes Acid Lamp to emphasize a couple of his points.

Now Czarcasm enters the thread, and his post is the following:

Originally Posted by ivan astikov
I would just like to re-emphasise the bolded bits.

[Moderator Note]And I would like to emphasize that this thread will not turn into yet another heated debate about pit bulls. If someone has the opinion that pit bulls are bad for families, and you feel an absolute need to start spewing cites, charts and the like in opposition, start a new thread. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to post your opinions on what would be the absolute worst dog for a family to own, that being the topic of this thread.[/Moderator Note]

Mr. Kobayashi starts a GD thread for that purpose.

Jennyrosity then gave a personal anecdote in defence of Staffies.

Czarcasm then posts, as a poster (not marked as a mod action), a question to Jennyrosity about the thread topic, worst dogs for families.

When she replies with untrained dogs rather than with a breed identification, he replies - again as a poster -:

Thank you for not keeping in the spirit of the thread.

I have omitted some comments about Czarcasm’s moderation to look at the salient issue: was Czarcasm using his moderator powers to stifle opinions that he disagrees with, or was he acting to keep the thread on topic and away from a debate that rightfully belongs in GD rather than IMHO?

On the one hand, it does appear to be an unbalanced statement. It seems to be citing the people who refute the bad justifications presented for pit bulls being a bad dog breed, and ignoring the side attacking pit bulls. Given that Czarcasm himself has posted his opinion previously, it could be interpreted he is trying to stifle opinions counter to his.

However, the flipside is that the original topic was opinions about dog breeds, not whether those opinions had any basis in fact. Telling everyone in the thread to take the debate elsewhere was certainly appropriate based upon the rules of IMHO vs GD. And since the OP was opinions about bad dog breeds, and many people feel that way about “pit bulls”, it is natural that they would be mentioned.

So, is it fair for people to post in that thread their opinion that pit bulls are too good dogs?

To me it looks like trying to keep the thread on topic.

I think the other complicating factor is the topic of how much debating is allowed in an opinion thread? You’re allowed to have an opinion. I’m allowed to disagree. How much can I vocalize my disagreement with your opinion?

Understandable, some topics are too heated to remain in IMHO, so get shifted to GD by default.

[Idle_Thoughts]

@valleyofthedolls

I think what Czarcasm is saying is you can make up whatever you’d like and so long as he agrees with it, it’s okay by him. If however, he doesn’t agree with it, well then there’s a problem. No wonder fighting ignorance is a continual struggle.

Here’s a tinfoil hat for you. You wear it behind your ears, like this. Unless you also want to be protected by those dangerous, invisible ear-splitting rays…you know how sneaky those can be!

[StusBlues]

@valleyofthedolls

Sorry, you’re lying.

OK, that’s uncalled for.

[TubaDiva]

Whoa, too much already.

I think there’s more appropriate forums where you should take this disagreement.

So pick your battle and your forum areas and go there, please.