Why is fried chicken racist in the USA?

[Martini_Enfield]

@Malthus

Heh, apropos of nothing, I once knew a guy who made a living as a seller of Black-themed memorabilia - Sambo dolls, glasses in the shape of Black women eating watermellons and the like.

He was Black and so were most of his clientele. Apparently this stuff goes for big bucks these days, because much of it was thrown out when social attitudes changed. Now, people will pay a lot (and the more egregious they are, the better) for these things as conversation pieces.

IIRC the trend was touched upon in the Spike Lee film Bamboozled (interesting film, BTW).

[mswas]

@pan1

Fried Chicken is not racist in and of itself.

Neither is Watermelon.

But there is a stereotype that says that black people like Fried Chicken and Watermelon. It is thus possible to exploit that stereotype in a racist way.

I don’t know about Watermelon but in my experience, the vast majority of black people like fried chicken. I have NEVER been to a black neighborhood that doesn’t have a place where you can get wings and fries. I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m just sayin’.

Jay-Z used to work at the Crown Fried Chicken across from the Marcy Projects. I got my chicken from that one, but I could’ve gone to the Chinese place across the street to get Wings as well.

[Spoke]

@astorian

1. Every now and then, I’ll hear a black person point out angrily that the phrase"cotton picking" (as in “get your cotton picking hands off me”) is offensive, because it suggests that black people who worked in cotton fields were dirty and subhuman. And I’m sure that WAS a crude, racist insult at one time. Thing is, anyone my age (48) or younger has probably never heard a real, live person use that phrase. Heck, I only know it because I heard Yosemite Sam and Foghorn Leghorn say it in old cartoons.

I don’t think there’s any racial connotation in that phrase at all. You may be under the mistaken impression that only black people picked cotton. Cotton was the most common cash crop in the South for many decades after the Civil War, and white farmers and their families were picking that cotton, too. Both my parents regularly picked cotton as children in (middle class) farm families. If anything, I suppose “cotton-picking hands” might be a class-based insult. (If you were wealthy enough, I suppose you didn’t pick your own cotton.)

Oh, and as someone younger than you, I have heard the phrase used by real live people.

[Spoke]

@Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus

Long ago, chicken was an expensive food. The birds were rarely slaughtered because the real cost of a chicken dinner included the loss of future egg production. So it isn’t just that chicken is cheap food today. The underlying issue is that racist stereotypes in the past painted black people as incorrigible petty thieves, and watermelons and chickens were equally stereotyped as the main things stolen, especially in the rural South. This comes up even in recent literature–I came across an example of this in a Charles Bukowski novel, in which he uses the stereotype to indicate that a character has racist tendencies.

Gettingh back to nailing down the origin of the stereotype, I think you may be onto something here. It may have started as a “blacks steal chickens and watermelons” stereotype which then morphed into a more generalized “blacks sure do like chicken and watermelons”.

As evidence in support of that theory, there is a very old folk song about the supposed propensity of black people to steal watermelons called “Watermelon Hanging on the Vine” (sometimes “Watermelon Smiling on the Vine” or just “Watermelon on the Vine”).

It would not surprise me at all to learn that this might be an old minstrel show song, or that the food stereotypes date from (and were reinforced by) the old minstrel shows.

[Nars_Glinley]

@Petey

Woods never had a problem with the joke. It was an outcry by others that caused Zoehler problems.

I’m not sure that this is true. IIRC, Woods could have put the whole thing to rest quickly by coming out in support of Zoehler but he didn’t. He let him twist in the wind for quite a while (around a week, I think) before making a statement.

[Recliner]

The bottom line is this. Its a fact that racist imagery was popularly used to advertise fried chicken joints in the past, in the USA. Its become a well-known racist association. Therefore, when someone makes reference to black people and fried chicken, they’re likely perceived as either (a) unaware of this historical situation, or (b) buying into stereotypes. Thus, to do so is taken as a character flaw.

It may be a fact that theres nothing inherently racist to it – but, like all racial stereotypes, a careless reference to it is likely to be ill-received.

[Leaper]

Added info/thoughts on this subject in this old thread of mine. Covers a lot of what’s already been said here, but it might have some other perspectives/links that are interesting.

[Recliner]

@spoke-

And I think I must be wrong about the stereotype dating from the Great Migration. In looking for those images, I found several similar ones that pre-date the Great Migration. So there goes my theory.

I recall that Huckleberry Finn refers to blacks loving watermelon, so that part of the stereotype is at least as old as 1885.

[Zsofia]

@spoke-

I don’t think there’s any racial connotation in that phrase at all. You may be under the mistaken impression that only black people picked cotton. Cotton was the most common cash crop in the South for many decades after the Civil War, and white farmers and their families were picking that cotton, too. Both my parents regularly picked cotton as children in (middle class) farm families. If anything, I suppose “cotton-picking hands” might be a class-based insult. (If you were wealthy enough, I suppose you didn’t pick your own cotton.)

Oh, and as someone younger than you, I have heard the phrase used by real live people.

Yeah, I’m 30 and my parents frequently told me to get my cotton picking hands off things. My dad actually had cotton picking hands, though, as he was born a sharecropper in 1931. So there’s that.

[Petey]

@Nars_Glinley

I’m not sure that this is true. IIRC, Woods could have put the whole thing to rest quickly by coming out in support of Zoehler but he didn’t. He let him twist in the wind for quite a while (around a week, I think) before making a statement.

It’s been a while and I’m just going off a memory. It’s hard to say what Tiger Woods really believed since he keeps his opinions close to the vest as we’ve seen by his recent scandals. I think his PR firm waited to see which way the wind was blowing and then issued a statement about being “disappointed” then “forgave Fuzzy”.

My main point is for people who think that the “fried chicken and watermelon” can never be offensive. Obviously it got Zoeller into trouble.

[Ephemera]

@Zsofia

Yeah, I’m 30 and my parents frequently told me to get my cotton picking hands off things. My dad actually had cotton picking hands, though, as he was born a sharecropper in 1931. So there’s that.

I’m 27, and have heard it. I also want to say I’ve even used it, but can’t be certain I actually have.

[dropzone]

Anecdotal Non-Evidence: When I was in college in the mid-70s I lived in a private dorm that held occasional “special dinners.” Surprisingly, a quick perusal of YouTube does not include a sing-a-long version of the song, which involved catfood.

Our residents included both jocks and gents who were politically active, but who preferred to live comfortably (thank God for Greyhound or I’d’ve been elsewhere). One Thursday dinner included fried chicken and watermelon. It was sad watching those guys turning down those yummy, but stereotypical, dishes. I assume their kids are free of it, but there really was a time when food was political.

[bdgr]

@raspberry_hunter

(However, by BBQ I mean real NC pig-pickin’ BBQ with vinegar-based sauce, not that rib tomato-based-sauce stuff you get in weird places like Texas.)

When did they get real BBQ in NC? Sauce? Good BBQ, like the real stuff you find in Texas, doesn’t need any sauce. And it’s made of cow.

[Stoneburg]

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Racist, but funny.

[Zsofia]

@Aesiron

I’m 27, and have heard it. I also want to say I’ve even used it, but can’t be certain I actually have.

I have, but I worry about accidentally saying it to the wrong person, since in my mind it has nothing to do with race but people could construe it thus.

[Freudian_Slit]

@Stoneburg

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Racist, but funny.

I don’t get it…

[BrandonR]

@Freudian_Slit

I don’t get it…

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[ivan_astikov]

@astorian

I only knew that images of fried chicken and watermelon were offensive to blacks because liberal satirists kept using those images!

Well, that’s you, isn’t it! “Liberal satirists” didn’t invent those images, they just appropriated them into their act.

[Jackmannii]

This durn thread has implanted a crummy John Mellencamp tune in my head.

There was fried chicken, collard greens and watermelon
(They were Racist)
Chitlins, ham hocks and fried chicken
(They were Racist)
Spotlight on watermelon
Let’s don’t forget fried chicken
Racist in the U.S.A.
Racist in the U.S.A.
Hey!

Thanks a lot.

[Clothahump]

Fried chicken is racist?

Then I’m racist, because I loves me some fried chicken.