Why is Godfather III held in such contempt?

“Why is Godfather III held in such contempt”: I ask myself this (hence I found this forum) and when I revisit, I hope to like it and not feel the shudders which echo through me at many points.
I agree with much of what I see on this forum.
I get a huge chuckle out of the request to ban the person who says 3 is better than 2.
We all have a right to our opinion, but that is hard to imagine.
The one complaint with 2 I can see, although I don’t feel this way, is that it wanders and the cutting between the eras is confusing. I think that it is brilliantly executed. I find myself drawn into 2 and wonder why on Earth I care about, for example, DeNiro stealing a rug for his wife in 1917. But it is so elegant and detailed and amazingly crafted that I can watch the entire 3.5 hours of the Restoration very frequently. The first one has my heart mostly because of Brando although it is equally as beautifully made although I can see how it was made a couple years earlier and on a much lower budget and with other constraints.
So Godfather 3…what happened?
Is it as bad as people say…no it is not and while there are atrocities in it, there are also many great moments. Acting wise, Joe Matagena definitely steals the show. I believe Eli Wallach is a gem in this and everything. (I see someone posted otherwise). Andy Garcia is very believable and irritating. Fonda is pretty and fine although not terribly strong. Definitely not a perfect role for her in the way her part in Jacki Brown was. Shire and Keaton do not seem to be that into it. Pacino to me goes back and forth which makes me wonder, as someone else touched on, is he doing a great acting job or is he somewhat off. It is certainly not the jaw dropping performance of 2 nor does it show the greatness which he needed to portray Correlone’s arc in one from “that droopy thing” to powerfully chilling mob boss. However, Pacino even at his worst is an amazing artist.

As for the film itself, where 2 elegantly dances around the world with grace and love and beauty, 3 is painfully stationary. More than a half hour is spent entirely indoors at the giant reception introduction. While we certainly are given a lot of information and see these characters years later (in their time and over 20 as viewers), it does not hold interest in the way the first two.

There are many moments and lines which are forced and just embarrassing.
For example: when Talia Shire says “now they fear you”. Jonny fontaine looks old but I guess he has to be there. The first 2 open with long parties but completely enthrall because of the scenery and the excellent cast across the board including character actors and even bit parts and background. Not the case with 3. Sadly, most of the actors in the key roles (michael’s son, Tom Hagen’s son, and others) are forgettable. No Harry Dean Stanton cameos in 3. The actor who plays Frankie Panteglie (sp) is terrific. Certainly no Lee Strasberg.
And now we get to the kicker - the thing that pushes mediocre to offensive - Sofia Coppolla. In addition to the obvious, I think the choice to cast her shows an arrogance which permeates the film. So the original actress fell through but about any actress of any age in the business would die to have been in Godfather 3 and this was perfect for a young actor. She is terrible and everyone knows it. She is unbelievable and forced and makes us feel badly for her, as an actress not a character. Just like with Haydyn Christensen in Star Wars, I hope each time we see her that she wont be there. The incest story is not interesting anyway, even if they had a good actor.
Again the arrogance, because it is hard to imagine why they didn’t fire her. Because family is the most important thing of course!

Anyway, there are still some classic cinematic moments but nothing to compare to the first 2. The bar was set high. Somehow Godfather 2 surpassed expectations which were very high.
As soon as Eli Wallach steps into the limo with Michael, things pick up. They get to Rome and it does become much more interesting.

I also feel we have to consider that the era portrayed is simply far less appealing. As Michael says in 2, times are changing. Two demonstrates with its intercutting how a certain elegance and respect that exist in Vito’s era in the teens in NYC is dying from the 50s onwards. So by the time we get to the late 70s, it is a less elegant world.
Seeing how they recreate early century NYC is jaw dropping. I drool at the beauty and intricacy. The colors (as dark and stark as they are). The light on a piece of fruit.
The era itself is bloated as is the film and the filmmaking.

In summary, is it as terrible as people say…no absolutely not. It does carry on the characters and arcs and lives in interesting ways. It sounds good on paper. Also when described it sounds much like the first 2: sprawling epic tale of a family and its business beliefs and practices. Majestic and lavish sets with extremely violent outbursts.
But in execution, it does not hit the mark in the way the first 2 did. One could also say that is hard to completely explain why those are so great. In the end, greatness and masterfulness are as inexplicable as failure and mediocrity.

Well, GF3 was simply too much of a good thing…the characters (like the director) were worn out. Heck, at the end of GF 2, we knew that Michael was totally corrupted-why didn’t he just retire to Florida (ala Myer Lansky) and let it go? Of course, the dominant theme in GF3 was the persistence of evil, and the “sins of the father visited upon the sons”. Of all people, Michael should have made amands and gotten the hell out.

My biggest problem with GF3 is with Michael himself - he seems such a different, talky person than the silent, cold killer of GF2.

MovieMogul/ArchiveGuy answered it perfectly three years ago: it’s the answer to a question nobody asked.

I think I’ve seen it twice, and I remember almost nothing about the plot.

So, if oranges signify death is coming, what signifies zombies?

I actually liked it. It had a few stink bombs in it, but, overall, it was good.

The script was overall tolerable, just not enough editing out of the really dumb stuff. Like Eli Wallach’s “Blessed are the peacemakers…” quote, or whatever it was. Stuff like that.
I have always judged it to be better than G2, tho.

Hmmm, good point. I knew there was something about his gabbing, I just couldn’t define it, and that is it. In G2, he’s pretty much closed mouth, but, in G3, he’s a regular Shecky Greene.

Hear, hear, my jaw dropped when I saw someone say Godfather III was better than Godfather II!

Durian. They smell the same.

First of all, the history of making GF3 was very discordinate and it showed. I knew who Vicent Mancini was by his last name but only because I read the book and according to the book, Vincent doesn’t exist.

But I think what killed it for me was it didn’t seem like a GF movie. In GF1 Michael doesn’t want to take on any family business but does through necessity - dealing with Solzanno, Sonny’s death. The real change was after Appolonia’s death where Michael realizes that the family needs to be proactive and not reactive which cooresponds with Vito’s view of leading the family. He has Frabrezio killed in revenge and deals with Carlos and the other families. The key is that at the beginning Michael does not belong anywhere. He is effectively estranged from his family and is no longer in the Marines and he ends up trying to belong. He even comes back and doesn’t contact Kay who being non-Italian represents his separation from the family. By the end, he has completely shut off from her and is now Godfather.

Godfather 2 we start to see the decline of Michael. He hold “The Family” together but at the cost of his own family He has killed his own brother, lost his mother, lost a son via abortion and Kay.

So what should we expect to see at the end of three? We get tantalizing clues. Loss or estrangement from the rest of his family by Anthony at odds with his dad and Mary dying. He loses his “Family” to a nephew no one knew about. He ends up dying alone.

But why not lose Connie? What eventually happened between him and Anthony?
He apparently reconsiled with Kay so what happened with that?

If these had been addressed and leaving out all of the crap about the Church, a better actress for Mary, addressing Hagen more than “he dead”, the crap about Pentangeli (it should have been Tessio considering Clemenza was “removed” at the end of GF1) then it really would have been Godfather movie. As it was, it was a horrible tease of one.

I love The Money Pit

I agree with the second poster from 3 years ago.

It’s Sofia Coppola, or at least she represents what is problematic with the whole thing. She is very poorly directed in the movie and the overall film lacks the quality Francis Coppola is capable of(uh…was capable of, anyway).

It’s funny how you’re reading through a thread, going along at a good clip, and then suddenly you come to a wall of text, incoherently parsed entry. You check the user join date, and sure enough, you see it’s this month. Then you realize you are no longer in your regular posting environment.

YOU ARE IN A ZOMBIE THREAD.

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