Lots of people feel unwelcome here. Conservatives, newbies, foreigners, etc. It’s not a particularly welcoming place.
Hopefully it’s just the jerks who feel unwelcome.
*Racist *jerks.
Do you think the SDMB is doing a good job at that? The post I was replying to was from a woman who said “women feel unwelcome here.”
Oh come on. Outside of Twitter, I doubt conservatives will find a more coddling or nurturing environment than you do here. The number of threads that you personally overrun with your tiresome tendentious flapdoodle is frankly astonishing. Anybody who pulled these shenanigans on Twitter would be buried in ridicule and mockery; here you get to work the refs and cry incivility whenever your feelings get hurt. This place is strongly friendly to conservatives and their ways, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting here. I’ll probably rate a warning just for making the observation.
Several things:
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You are not a mod. I am asking for an official position from the board about what is in compliance with the rules and what is not.
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You are offended because I made a comment about a women whom you do not know, a stranger in the crowd at the Kavanaugh hearing? How is that possible?
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I may only comment on sexual attractiveness about someone with whom I am in a relationship? So, by definition, no poster may ever say anything negative about a woman’s appearance, right? After all, if I am in a relationship with her, then at least I believe she is attractive, no? Under your standard, nobody can ever say that a woman is unattractive. Nobody can ever say a man is unattractive (unless he is Donald Trump or George W. Bush).
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Women feel unwelcome her because I called a random woman in the audience a hot chick? I call bullshit. Give me the name of one single person who decided not to post here because of that comment. That person can block me. Why would they not want to be on this board because of that one comment?
Seriously, YOU knock off the bullshit. You’re not a woman and you have no idea how comments like yours affect us. I’m not getting into the splitting hairs game with you. You do the research on prior threads in this very forum where women have said they felt unwelcome because of the misogynist attitudes and comments. Yours is one more. Objectifying women like you did is misogynist behavior. We don’t have to know the women in question to be offended. Then you mansplain why we shouldn’t be offended. You’re not the only one that does it, but you’re certainly the worst, by far, in this particular thread.
Who appointed you to speak for all women? I’m not trying to be a smartass, but just because you are ultrasensitive about this, why does your view control?
…we’ve all been following along with the thread. The Moderators have given you the official position of the board. What they won’t do though (and I agree with them) is give you a “list of instructions” on how to behave.
You live in society. And society is changing. And things that were acceptable a few years ago are becoming unacceptable now. Thats just the way things work.
Do you want to know what is and isn’t appropriate any more?
You aren’t going to learn that from ATMB.
You are going to have to listen to women. And people of colour. And marginalised people that maybe you haven’t really made an effort to listen to before.
Objectifying that “stranger” by characterizing her as a “hot chick” is misogynistic. misogynistic behaviour is offensive, it can be upsetting. Why would you want to upset people?
Do you live on planet earth? Do you really need to have it explained to you that different people can be offended or upset by different things?
You can do whatever the fuck you like.
You wanted a “foolproof rule” that you could use in order to avoid moderation. You were given a foolproof rule. It appears you don’t really want a foolproof rule? Can you make your mind up?
Nope.
Many women felt unwelcome here because people were exhibiting misogynistic behaviour in threads and in response to posts that were completely inappropriate, and it grew to such a big problem here that many women registered their disgust and they left the boards. To their credit the moderating team listened to the criticism and have tried to make things better.
Ten years ago calling a random woman a “hot chick” in a thread in the Elections forum may well have been tolerated by the moderating team. By tolerating that sort of comment the boards cultivated a culture where women felt unwelcome. Now that sort of comment is not tolerated (in certain forums, in certain posts, depending on context). The culture of the board is changing.
Because the culture is changing using the phrase “hot chick” stands out in a thread like a shining beacon. It gets pinged. To many of us the fact that that post got pinged makes perfect sense. If it makes no sense to you: then you aren’t going to get your answers here. Unless you make a commitment to actually listen.
You really should give this board credit. This is real bottom-of-the-barrel debating tactics. i can spot at least 3 fallacy’s here. You can really do better than this.
You don’t get to be offended, Helena330. The Menfolk Have Spoken.
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…ultrasensitive ?
Can I remind you that we are currently on page 3 of a thread that you started, that you’ve been demanding answers that have already been giving to you, that you have been mischaracterizing the arguments of other people in this thread, and you are doing it not because you got a formal warning, not because you were called out by name, but simply because a moderator said this?
There certainly is somebody that is **ultrasensitive **in this thread. And that person is not Helena330.
First of all, this is a long thread over some of the lightest moderation I’ve seen.
Second, I disagree with it because it does not take into account the whole context of what’s going on.
We are talking about a televised event. Putting Condolezza Rice in a seat behind the candidate goes a long way to prove how staged things are.
Put the humanizing family behind him; or a grizzled war vet; or serious million year old white guys; or a vacuous pop star; a moldery old grandma doing her knitting; or a pregnant panda. It all depends on who you’re pandaring to. Hot chick might be perfectly accurate. If you weren’t thinking “hot chick” you might have been missing the message.
You might want the person there to be known for their qualifications, background or whatever does it for you. Yeah, that’s all fine and dandy, but this is television we’re talking about. Image is everything. of all the people that could be put there it almost always is going to be the most photogenic one. Take tv news reporters and anchors for instance, how often do you see someone with a face for radio? Given all the journalism majors you better be damn talented to get far if you aren’t a hot chick or pretty boy, at least at the start of your career.
this reminds me of time I forgot the new teachers name and rm number in jr high and since I was late and in a hurry said "what room is the new teacher with the great boobs in "
I thought I was talking to a few guys I sort of knew (as she had been the topic of discussion since the first day she appeared )…….
the adult hall monitor that over heard me and was defiantly not amused ………
The teacher herself who knew I could be overly blunt when annoyed or flustered said " thanks for the compliment but id advise not repeating it out loud anymore "
I don’t think the length of the thread has any relation to the severity of the moderation. I think it’s a long-running thread simply because it’s an interesting topic and / or we wanted some additional clarification from the mods. Some of the answers given early on by the various mods seemed conflicted to some of us.
…my point wasn’t about “the severity of the moderation.” My point was about the accusation of being “ultrasensitive”.
Ahhh, well then, I don’t know that I have anything further to offer on that point that wouldn’t offend her further, so I guess I’ll just leave it at that.
This is your attempt at humor? Wow.
It was an attempt at treating a gentle soul gently.
Why not treat everyone gently, and try something like not describing women you don’t know as “hot chicks?”
(Yes, I realize you didn’t. But your defense of it, and your precious “gosh, I don’t want to cause offense, aw shucks” routine come across as pretty far from truly gentle.)
…I don’t think “her” is the correct pronoun for UltraVires, but I could be mistaken.