Any girl young enough to actually BE underage is young enough to look like she MIGHT be underage. Don’t pork any girls taht even look like they might be underage, regardless of their fake IDs.
You can also tell it’s not really them on the ID if you look close. There are no dopplegangers in real life.
Then you pull over as soon as you feel it. Plus you’re liable for paying attention to your own drink.
So anybody who drives impaired should get a pass because they made that decision while they were impaired?
I’ve had plenty of experience with having a wide variety of drugs in my system. I might not have always made smart or responsible decisions when impaired, but I always knew if I was impaired (and I’ve had people spike my non-alcoholic drinks before).
So a young man shouldn’t pork a girl that looks 21, is drinking in a bar, has I.D. that says she’s 21, because she MIGHT be underage. Got it. :rolleyes:
Read what I wrote again. It WAS my friend’s pic on the I.D. And plenty of people look very much like their siblings.
And if the cop pulls you over first? That’s some penalty you think someone should pay because someone took their eyes off their drink for a moment. I can’t believe you really feel this way.
Don’t try to pull this shit. Not too much in common with someone having a soda in a juice bar and someone slipping drugs in their glass, is it?
Good for you. I’m talking about a scenario with a guy that may not be experienced with drugs the way you are and gets pulled over as drugs he doesn’t realize he took are taking effect.
The law in Ireland at the moment is that there is a defence of honest belief, for which the onus of proof is on the defendant.
This arose because the legislation took Diogenes’ view, and the Supreme Court struck it down.
I agree with Diogenes that many people would try and claim that it was a reasonable mistake, but they have to convince a judge and jury that they honestly believed that the person was overage - no mean feat considering how sceptical most people would be of such a claim.
To give you an example:
In CC v Ireland & Ors, the case which led to the law being struck down, the young man in question (if memory serves he was about 18) met the girl at the dog track, where she told him she was 16.
They didn’t have sex, and parted ways, but then she re-initiated contact by text.
They started dating and had sex several times over the next month.
Should that young man have gone to jail?
A blind man becomes disoriented and walks onto a fenceless field prominetly posted “No Trespassing” – should he be prosecuted? Why or why not? ow about a illiterate sighted person? (Don’t take it as purely rhetorical – though it’s not a precise analogy, it’s exploring what is a legitimate defense of ignorance, and why/when it should apply.)
Diogenes the Cyinic locuto est, causa finita est. Don’t you see?
C’mon, a 17-year old girl on the day before her 18th birthday looks completely different than she will the next day!!! You’re just closet-pedos looking for a way out!!!
There is absolutely no way you could be fooled, no way, nada.:)
Diogenes thinks one of the reasons someone unknowingly driving under the influence because someone slipped drugs in his drink is guilty of a crime is because he should have been paying better attention to his drink. I wouldn’t be surprised if he believes the blind man should have known walking alone puts him at a greater risk of disobeying a sign than the general population and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I’m curious; what do you think of women (or men) who take their eyes off a drink (say to go to the bathroom) and their date slips a little rohypnol and rapes them after they pass out? How much responsibility do they share for being raped? After all they should have gotten to know the guy better before deciding to share a meal in a public restaurant and were quite foolish not taking their drink into the bathroom with them.
Well good for you. Not everyone has your extensive experiance with using drugs.
I had a friend in high school who used his cousin’s expired license to get a fresh, new NYS driving license with his photo, but his cousin’s infromation. It wasn’t a fake ID at all; it was a bona fide, government issued ID, that just happened to be obtain through fraud. It could pass any inspection a real DL could (including a scanner) because it was a real DL.
I think the problem in this debate is that you’re just way out of touch with reality if you think that’s true, or that the scenario described doesn’t just happen frequently but is outright implausible.
Let us know when, despite every honest attempt, you become human, slip up and inadvertently do something you’re not supposed to. I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to hear your defense.
A good rule of thumb might be – if you feel the need to ask a girl for proof of age ID before having sex, you’re probably best off erring on the side of caution and not having sex with her. The worst that will happen is that you will not have sex with her. (I do think there’s a very strong argument for getting off on statutory rape charges based on reasonable assumption e.g. meeting someone in a 21+ bar. Though if it is the parents bringing these charges, you’ve got to wonder what they say about their child being in a 21+ bar.)
When I was in high school and college, the state of NJ still had laminated cards as IDs. They were breathtakingly easy to fake, so everybody had them. 16/17 year olds fooling bar bouncers, liquor store clerks, casino security, etc, was completely routine. I know a number of girls who slept with older guys (by which I mean like 20-22, not 50). I don’t think this experience is uncommon.
Of course, I may have legally committed statutory rape. My high school boyfriend was 17 and I was 18. Is there some rule that there needs to be an age gap as well? 18 year olds sleeping with 17 year olds is pretty damn common.
Rape. Little girl. :rolleyes:
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Never. This is one subject that’s it’s impossible for Dio to be rational about. I suggest we ignore him if we want to have a productive discussion.
This was an interesting thread to read until Dio reminded us that he is always right and we are all peodophiles.
There arent enough rolleyes in the world.
It’s because he was horny and she was wanting it they probably had all the sex they always wished for and then yea going to jail is what he deserved.
psst…was it in the bed or in the back seat of the car?
By putting transferable letters over the old ones and re-laminating, right? They didn’t look perfect, but if the person reading it wasn’t hip to the scam, it usually worked. A bouncer kept mine, turned it in and I lost my driving privileges for a few months.
That’s contradictory. If you had sex with someone and it was legal, it wasn’t statutory rape.
That’s legal in NJ since the age of consent is 16.
I knew someone who was raping his girlfriend when they were both 16, then she turned 17 first, so she was raping him, then he turned 17 and it was all ok.
They are still OK.
I won’t put up their names in case Diogenes sees fit to report them:)
All I can think about is what poor, poor Pinto was feeling, lying on that football field hearing his girl tell him, “Im only thirteen!”. (!!!)
No kidding. Talk about somebody who needs to get laid. :smack:
17 is above the age of consent, but most states do have “Romeo and Juliet” laws which have softer penalties for when the rapist is close to the age of the victim.
I think the penalties should be a lot harsher, personally, especially for the slimeballs who knock these girls up.
Good. Child rape is very serious crime and should be treated as such.
I have not expressed any such opinions. I don’t care what adults do, and we’re not talking about college aged girls. Any girl in college is above the age of consent. We’re generally talking about 15 year olds and younger (in most states anyway).