/all over the place ramble
It’s our (an Americans) problem to the extent that we care about human rights.
The conceit of the ultimate realists is that foreign policy should primarily be about our own national interests vs human rights.
The neocon (in the non demonized form) think human rights are universal, and to the extent they are not allowed to thrive in areas of the world, it is both the **prerogative **and obligation to march in and change the status quo through force.
The bolded is anathema to almost all leftists. Our prerogative? They categorically reject this line of thought, who are we to say our values are BETTER than another cultures? Who are we to say that our way of doing things is superior and gives us license to change the behavior of another society through force?
They stand for nothing in terms of human rights, there ARE no human rights, only human interests. And it is no more legitimate to use military might to subdue religious fanatics bent on slaughter than it is to subdue slavers in southern states bend on prolonging chattel slavery… oh wait. But, it’s different if it’s against another country. Oh I see, so it’s ok if the exact same behavior and justification is used within a nation, or a nation with a civil war, but not OK between nations, or between a nation and a sub group across many nations?
Got it.
The successes of this type of neocon excess is Japan/Germany/S. Korea./Kurdish areas of Iraq. The failures? The rest of Iraq, Syria, Libya, others I’m sure will be listed by the disciples of Chomsky in the never ending pantheon of American horrors that comparatively blot out all other evils in the world.
In fiction the greatest example of a benevolent NEOCON is Danerys Targaryen.
The neocon (in demonized form) seeks to enter other nations purely from some Imperialist mindset of the style of Victorian England or the period of manifest destiny. They seek to dominate and enslave and steal the property and oil of other nations, they seek to diminish them to nothing but puppet status to their vindictive masters who profit not only on theft, but donations from the myriad of security contractors and weapons constractors that encircle them.
Best example of the clear rape and devastation of neocon excess can be cataloged by nation over time:
Korea : Cleaved in two, the American backed section is prosperous and thriving the anti american china backed communist slave state is a land of darkness and misery…
Japan : The Emperor compelled to tell Japanese citizens to lay down their arms and surrender vs fighting to the last man like some death cultists, nation goes onto to be robbed so blind that they are now one of the wealthiest and most prosperous countries in the world.
Germany : Economic power of Europe
Vietnam : US lost, and because of their thwarting the wicked imperialist power that seeks ONLY to dominate and steal and enslave, they were spared the terrible fates of s. korea and Japan and Germany, and instead gained…
Over a decade of delayed economic progress and thriving by focusing on the enemy of the US, communist policies that failed repeatedly. Clearly a GOOD thing the US lost by bailing in that war, blame those wicked neocons.
skipping ahead
Iraq : Aside from the Kurds, total disaster, oil not stolen, but money and lives wasted, the violence was eventually tamped down but at a terrible cost in lives, and when we pulled our neocon forces that can ONLY ever make things WORSE anywhere they go, the shia allowed the blood feud ignite and set off a chain of events that allowed ISIS to gain power and mindshare in the Sunni population.
Lesson, in the modern age, do not intervene anymore, not because US intentions are as wicked and malevolent as the leftists claim they are, or that it can only ever lead to disaster and imperial slaughter and theft, but because if we do not have the political will to stick it out, a worse outcome can result, which is exactly what happened in Iraq.
The neocons do not want to stand idly by while the sadists of the world march the weaker unto the slaughter, they are inclined to offer more than JUST moral support and economic sanction as weapons against the true butchers of the world, they extend the support to direct financial and weapons aid and training, and even military assistance, they are not indifferent to whether ISIS slaughters all the more moderate Kurds in the region or if they lose out, they actually give a flying #%^ about the well being of mankind in a way that might actually make more of a dent than a blind speech.
But nevermind, it’s happening “over there”
We should not be expected to be the worlds policeman, and you know what? I kind of agree, but it’s not a terrible impulse to have circles of concern that extend out farther than your own family, or tribe, or nation. It used to be the case that liberals were the ones that MOST championed HUMAN rights, that extend across all cultures and reference frames, not JUST for us, but all mankind. This is not a wicked impulse, and the attitude that it’s not our problem or concern is a scale of callousness that makes me wonder just how different the ultra left is from the far right paleocons of old, who wanted a world of fortress America where the first and last concern that was proper to hold was about me and mine. Don’t you DARE spent a cent or a single drop of blood for the sake of any other people.