Why is "Jap" offensive?

This is 100% bullshit. “Nazi” refers to a member of the National Socialist Party, and is a fair descriptor for the Germans who led their country in WWII. “Jap” refers to any person of Japanese descent, and is in no way limited to the particular Japanese soldiers you’re talking about above. Even (giving you the benefit of the doubt) if you don’t mean to use the term as a racist epithet, the people who hear it might not make the same distinction that you do.

If you do mean to use it as a racist epithet, well then carry on.

Well, this was attested to me by someone who grew up on the west coast in the '40s and '50s. And who, sixty years later, was ashamed to have participated.

Not to excuse any of what they did, but none of which was particularly different than what happened with Germany during the war. The Nazis were infamously responsible for horrible atrocities, the deaths of large numbers of GIs, etc.

Even prior to the war, there had been a sense of racial superiority toward East Asians, which is clearly seen in the US propaganda against the Japanese versus the propaganda against the Nazis, which didn’t use racial features.

I suspect another major difference was that the US was familiar enough with Germany to understand the problem was with the Nazis, rather than the German people in general, but didn’t understand the Japanese to the same degree. It was never “we must kill the ultranationalists in Japan.” It was “Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill Japs.”

Nazis were Nazis.

The equivalent slur for Germans in general was kraut.

It’s legitimate when the word they are using doesn’t exist in English (at least not in standard dictionaries). The correct form of the nationality, at least in American English, is Pakistani.

From Merriam-Webster:

Pakistani

Pakistanian

There’s a major difference, since the word African-American is actually a legitimate English word.

If you are going to make up a new word for your ethnic group, it has to have a general level of acceptance in the language before you can fault others for not using it.

Also the very limited scope of the Japanese war crime prosecution bothers many people. Germany is still pursuing and prosecuting 90 year old men for WWII atrocities. Japanese have been protected from further prosecution since the 50’s or 60’s? I can’t recall the date.

It’s a very, very sensitive subject even today in China. They suffered the brunt of the atrocities and most of those soldiers were never identified or prosecuted. Read historical accounts of the Rape of Nanking. Turns my stomach thinking some of those men are still alive today.

Germany deserves a lot of credit for trying to prosecute war criminals before they die comfortably of old age.

This just made me recall a piece of slang that we used as kids in the 70s: jap slap. It lost popularity before I realized it was offensive.

Maybe in a couple more generations WWII will be dull and dry history. All whitewashed and politically neutral history. It’ll be like reading about the pillaging of villages by the Vikings. Murders and rapes happened then too. The horrors of that violence has been lost by the distance in time.

Well, that wiki is just plain wrong, because “Chinaman” is not parallel with “Englishman, Frenchman, and Irishman”. “Chineseman” would be. However, it would be parallel with “Indiaman”, but that term refers to a ship, not a person. Are there any cases in common English that are actually parallel to “Chinaman”? Probably, but I can’t think of any.

Bingo.

Which still doesn’t give you a pass on racial slurs.

From a previous poston the subject.

As for the reason that there have been continued prosecutions of Nazi war criminals is the simple fact that they fled after WWII, where the Japanese largely did not.

IIRC, there really wasn’t a huge difference in numbers of people prosecuted.

If a dark-skinned man is born and raised and living to this day in Nigeria as a member of the Igbo tribe, to which all his known ancestors also belonged, referred to himself as an African-American, is he then correct?

Which still doesn’t give you a pass on racial slurs for now.

As I like to say when someone brings this up, how about we at least wait until the last victims, like my mom who was in Auschwitz, die before we start clammoring for the importance of this be relegated to dusty history.

I’m reading a Viking history right now. I don’t think it’s dull or dry. And I don’t think things having happened “long” ago makes them less real.

But old history doesn’t stir up anger and passion like recent history.

There was a survivor of the Bataan Death March living 20 miles from my hometown. I never met him but my dad did at his antique car club. My dad’s brother had a steel plate in his head from a shell that exploded on his ship in the Pacific. My dad was too young for WWII. He was stationed at Pearl Harbor in 1949-51 and took pictures of machine gun marks in buildings and other war damage. I heard those war stories growing up. Watched the John Wayne movies.

I didn’t pass this on to my daughters. They studied the war in school. It’s not personal for them.

Modern Japan is a big success story. So much different since the war. My mom drives a Nissan today. :wink: I hope to visit someday.

I wonder if the grand kids of Japanese Americans interred in camps found it personal. My kids, looking at my dads tattoo and hearing my parents’ story felt a personal connection. Not just because they care or my parents but because another time or place it could have been them.

Perhaps.

This, My uncle is a statistic of the Bataan Death March. My aunts and uncles who lost their brother will not soon forget, nor will their kids. My brother and my sisters will not forget this atrocity in our life times.

As far as Jap being a slur, you bet it is. However, I find that many of my “Japanese American” friends, as well as some Japanese folks I know, do not find Jap offensive. In fact they often use it themselves.

I often wonder if some folks just enjoy being offended. Sometimes I think that these folks go looking to find something to be offended at. Case-in-point, the Jap road fiasco. If the locals like the name, let it be. I find it offensive that these folks ASSuME that someone else is a raciest, when they are the ones who are racists. Obviously the locals on and near Jap road are not racists. It was outsiders who made a big issue of it. They did not endear themselves to the locals, “Japanese Americans” and all. Get a grip folks.

Obviously I can not speak as to all of these grand kids. My “Japanese American” neighbor, who I mowed lawns for as a kid, did not teach hatred toward his fellow Americans, for his internment in a camp, to his kids. It was a part of his life, kind of like what high school he went to. Since the grand parents did not take it personal, neither do the sons, daughters, nor the grand kids.

His family lost all of their property due to the internment. Like many first generation Americans before them, they just carried on. They built up a small business and bought a home for their family. They sent their kids to college, and after the kids were established, they went to college themselves. They both became college professors. It is now Dr. & Dr. Shishito. Note, name changed to protect the innocent.

These are some of the Americans I admire. In many areas of my life, I try to be as much like them as I can.

Happily, we were not taught hatred of Germans (in general), but of the Nazis (and actually, more the Polish people who were my parents neighbors and witnesses to the camps and did nothing). It helped that post-war Germany owned what they did- paid reparations and actually did try to make amends and taught their own history to their own citizens. My parents actually lived in Germany for a short time after the war. What we were taught was to be wary- watch your government- whoever that may be- and fight for the rights of people being marginalized.

But because of the real horrors my parents watched and had happen to them directly- my house growing up was often a scary one. PTSD flashbacks are scary to be in the middle of as a small child, and the treatments were pretty non-existant. The huge extent of the damage done to the survivors made it very difficult to overcome.

So, it wasn’t a choice whether or not the children be “taught” what happened to their parents. They were still living it and so were we. This is a real (though complex) phenomenon- secondary PTSD in children of holocaust. Here is a good summary article. More literature exists. survivorshttp://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2016824,00.html

Like your neighbor, my parents came with nothing (having fought in Israel first, my dad giving up his spot to come to USA right away), built successful a business, had four kids. Two of us are college professors, one just retired as an elementary school principal and one a special ed teacher.

I feel left out. My thread isn’t listed. Boohoo. This subject was one of my first threads. But hey, I get it. I’m a newb.

I was summarily schooled in my thread just as the OP is being in this one.