But doesn’t it mean you have to be taken prisoner? As opposed to being taken to a hospital?
They found another one at the INternation airport there, and one outside of Baghdad. I don’t have sources except I either heard it on Foxnews or CNN.
Also, last week or the week before, I heard on the radio that Al Qaeda said they were responsible for some attack on our soldiers.:mad:
They captured her. That’s what makes her a POW.
WOW
My apologies if I did mix them up - I just wanted to point out that it’s sad that no one knows about some real heros but everyone knows about a private who just managed to get captured and saved.
Looking it up, I am referring to Petty Officer Roberts.
From here
In the account I read, I remember reporting him inflicting tens of casualties - I don’t think my memory is at fault, but it was an early report which may have been in error.
In any case, I wanted to clarify who I was talking about and what he did. Charging an MG position with a pistol to cover a friendly helicopter is pure balls - and pure heroism in my book.
That sums up my opinion pretty well. If the general reaction is “WOW”, and “That took balls!”, and that person put themselves in danger to help other, THAT is heroism.
Scott O’Grady’s case, in my opinion, met the “WOW” requirement and the “That took balls” clause, but he was not doing it (evading capture) to directly benefit others. Ergo, not hero.
Pvt. Lynch (what the hell was she still doing as a Private after boot camp and schools and two months in country?) got in a car accident during an ambush and got hurt badly. She was captured by the Iraqi fighters, then moved to a hospital, and then recovered by friendlies. I do readility admit she has a pair a brass ones, the SpecOps called out “We are American Soldiers!” when they enter a room, and she replied, “I am an American Soldier, too!” Balls? Check. Hero? Not even close.
Sorry, gonna have to call bullshit again on your first statement. Quite possible you heard it on Fox or CNN, but they have regularly reported wrong information during this war, never to correct themselves.
And, I have no doubt Al Queda may be over there attacking our soldiers now. In fact, I’d be surprised if they weren’t. How is that Saddam’s fault? The “coalition forces” are ruling that nation right now.
You got a link to a specific story that backs up your claim. No? So you are just talking out of your arse.
She didn’t nearly die for my country. And I didn’t make value judgements on her. I made value judgements on the people using her for proganda.
As I said, doing what anyone else would have done in a situation, doing the only thing that could be done doesn’t make someone a hero.
Yes, I get it, you went to war, I stayed at home. You’re a hero, I’m a bum.
No, I never went to war.
Also, just because I don’t have a link to the news story on the web doesn’t mean I’m talking out of my rear end. That’s an incorrect statement to make.:smack: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
oops. I didn’t realize the last statement in gex gex’s post was quoting someone else. Sorry.
She is a hero because we need a hero…A symbol to rally around. She is as heroic as the thousands of kids out there…But she is a cute and spunky kid…all-American girl…symbolic of apple pie, motherhood and all that is good about this country…So she is symbolic of all our kids fighting a war…If she is a rally point for the country and a symbol for the arm forces that is enough for her bronze star (only the Marine’s version of the bronze star is for heroic acts in combat…and she is an Army girl)….Those that bash the poor girl are mean spirited…those that bash the Arm Forces for the way they presented the stories are equally mean spirited…We needed a symbol for a war the world would not support (but which everyone really knew was needed), and Jessica is our symbol…and our hero.
What about those who really did give their all in combat? Why are they less worthy of accolade than she is? Tell me that. Why are those who gave their lives charging the enemy less worthy than she is? Why is she a greater hero than is Doors? Where were the big parades for Doors? Why is he a piece of rubbish, to be forgotten?
Cost of doing war billions…
Cost of a tomahawk cruise missile…$500 million
Cost of seeing Jessica Lynch smile when she got her medal….priceless…
We need our hero…
So the manufacturing of symbols for simple gratification is not a problem at all? Especially when this symbol blatantly ignores the much more heroic acts of others? We should forget all concerns about fighting this war (concerns which exist even to those in favor of the war) because all of a sudden we have a pretty face to put on it?
And who in this thread has been mean to Lynch? All people are doing is questioning the attention being heaped on her, which even she herself is beginning to tire of.
And it’s “mean spirited” to question the Armed Forces? So we have to just go along with whatever they say, right? Not like questioning/disagreeing with our government is allowed in the U.S.
While I disagree with your point of view, vigorously, I think you hit the nail on the head for the true reason she was awarded the Bronze Star.
So where’s the hero? I see a victim getting a medal for having been a victim.
Fox or CNN? You mean Fox, as in Rupert Murdoch, the Republican lapdog? As the song goes, ‘believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear’. As I’m so often told on this board, “I remember hearing…” counts for zero.
I know you’re only making a joke here, but you’re way off on the cost of a Tomahawk. Thank goodness – war is expensive enough as it is. :rolleyes: The Raytheon Tomahawk BGM-109 Cruise Missile costs about US$1 million each. Future Tomahawk variations may go for about $575,000 each. Still damn expensive, but not quite $500 million!
If you go back and read teh beginning of the post, nobody is saying she isn’t a hero, we are saying she may not deserve the bronze star
Sorry, 'fraid not. According to the Army
The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the military of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
In other words, if yer shootin against bad guys and act all heroic and stuff, ya might get this medal.
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Those that bash the poor girl are mean spirited…those that bash the Arm Forces for the way they presented the stories are equally mean spirited…We needed a symbol for a war the world would not support (but which everyone really knew was needed), and Jessica is our symbol…and our hero. **
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I do agree with this, but I think there are many better examples of heroes out there. There may even be one who is cuter than her.