Q.E.D., you are all hot air. You are a mod on your new board, and yet you come back here daily to lurk in ATMB, the Pit, and anywhere else to hammer away.
If this board became exactly what you wanted it to be, would you come back? If so, then why not spend the time here trying to change things and leave the other board completely? If not, why not just let it go?
Just sayin’
The Internet isn’t a zero-sum game, y’know. I don’t know if you’re actually aware of this, but you can post on more than one board. I know it sounds crazy, but it’s true. Heck, did you know you can actually have more than one browser window open with EACH DISPLAYING A DIFFERENT WEBSITE? I was shocked, SHOCKED when I learned that.
yeah, yeah, but who has the time? (besides you, I mean)
Why ARE you so angry? You used to be a SDSAB member. You used to add value. Now you just bitch and moan. You have made your point. Hell, I’m not thrilled with the changes either. But the horse is dust.
Sigh. Please don’t twist what I said. To your first point: yes, I consider that’s a personal insult.
To your second point: Anything said about Lynn AS A PERSON is off limits outside the Pit. Anything said about leander or Q.E.D. or any other poster AS PERSONS is off limits outside the Pit. This is not new. Personal insults have never been allowed outside the Pit.
Negative comments about Lynn’s (or anyone’s) moderating decisions are fair game. You may criticize her moderation decisions, you may not criticize her as a human being (outside of the Pit.)
Example:
Acceptable in ATMB: That was a stupid moderating decision.
NOT acceptable in ATMB: The moderator is stupid.
This is a distinction that has been made in Great Debates and Cafe Society for years: the difference between the person and what the person says/does. You may insult the latter, but not the former.
In Q.E.D.'s OP, his first statement “Really, why did she feel the need to dig up that fossil, dust it off and stick it? Ed already has a new rules sticky in the Pit and in some cases, his rules directly contradict hers. Yes, we get it … Honestly, is a little consistency too much to ask around here?” is perfectly fine. However, when he says, “Lynn thinks she runs the Pit. Ooooh, all hail the mighty Lynn. Raaaar, Lynn smash!” he is not talking about her moderating decision, he is talking about what she THINKS and who she IS. That’s personal insult.
No, Dex. He’s talking about how she moderates. If Q.E.D. wanted to insult her, I’m confident there would be little doubt in anyone’s mind about it. Unless you’re telling us that Lynn = She-Hulk.
That was a stupid moderating decision. A very, very stupid moderating decision. Here’s why:
Your issue seems to be with “Lynn thinks she runs the Pit. Ooooh, all hail the mighty Lynn. Raaaar, Lynn smash!”. How could that NOT be talking about her modding? Lynn IS a mod in the Pit. So QED was being a bit snarky about “the mighty Lynn”. But his point was clearly that she’s on a power trip AS A MOD. Duh.
Lynn herself commented in this thread, yet did not feel the need to make a warning. So assuming she’s not just getting you to do her dirty work, there’s no need to come in now and make a silly mod note.
Have you not seen the vitriol in the many multi-page threads in ATMB? If you are going to be consistent, then you must go into all those threads and start handing out warnings. Otherwise you’re simply reinforcing the idea that Lynn is “special” and we cannot criticize her AT ALL.
You guys are supposedly trying to fix this big screw up. This kind of thing does not really help.
PS - I can’t believe I’m defending QED. This is how bad things have gotten around here.
And now that I’ve read this incredibly insightful and disturbing post by former Mod TVeblen, I’m even more dumbfounded.
Honestly, I have no desire to start a board war, but it’s hard to ignore such a post that sheds so much light on this crazy mess, and on **Lynn **and “her” Pit.
I’m blown away.
You do!
Should I link to a post on the Giraffeboards or do you want to appologize without it?
To be fair on this point, were I a mod, I suspect i’d specifically try to avoid castigating posters for attacking me personally in favour of letting other mods do so. For one thing, if Lynn had put a warning on that post, I suspect it would she would get complaints for attempting to stifle disagreement with her. For another, it’s easier to avoid potentially ire-based moderating decisions by leaving it to someone who’s less emotionally invested in the insult.
I guess what confuses me is what was so wrong with the set of rules that Giraffe, other mods/admins, and posters arrived at? Perfectly good set of rules - just append Ed’s civility rules to them. They didn’t need to be wished into the cornfield.
Hubris. Pure, unadulterated hubris. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine whose.
He did, actually. Everything in the current Forum Rules up to the no trolling rule is from the previous rules sticky. I know the second link doesn’t work (I’m guessing the thread was deleted?), so you’ll have to take my word for it.
Edit: And just because I spent 600 seconds searching for it, here’s the pit rules discussion where I found the link to the old pit rules thread.
Ah. I guess I didn’t read them closely enough. My bad. I couldn’t see a reason for the old set of rules to be resurrected if that set was still in effect. Now I really can’t see a reason, but perhaps that’s just 'cause I’m exhausted from the road trip.
Looks like they’ve been taken down. All I see now is the two Ed Z stickies (new rules, naughty words list).
They were taken down yesterday morning.
Well that seems like a promising sign. Good to see.
Heh. I guess I really was tired last night.
I’m satisfied. This thread may be closed if you like.
Thread closed on OP’s request.