Why is US Presidential election cycle so long?

Read in the paper today that there are 7 weeks left in the primaries. Good god! What are the factors causing us to have such a long election cycle?

I realize there is little that can be done to restrict “speech” in the form of campaigning for the next election as soon as the previous one is over, but what benefits do the states, parties or others perceive from this lengthy and expensive process?

It seems as though the major beneficiaries are the media and others who profit or draw salaries from the election process itself. I imagine states like Iowa and NH feel they derive economic and other benefit from the long attention paid them. Are our elections primarily about employing people and spending money?

What would be the harm of compacting the process, and what would be needed to do so? Who would express what objections to - say - primaries in June and July, conventions in August, and election in November?

It seems to me that the states like spacing out the primaries so the candidates will shower their state with appearances and praise. Look at all the attention New York got for a few weeks. And now the candidates are crisscrossing Pennsylvania and Maryland.

I think the media would object to the loss in ad revenue.

The electoral process is state based and we have 50 states. That pretty much means a long cycle in the primary season. However, the general election cycle is 3 months or less, not all that long really. We just spend about a year before the general election cycle deciding who is running. This year it turns out to be a good thing enabling the people to realize just how corrupt the party system is.

Yeah, the general election cycle isn’t actually too terribly long, and is actually shorter now than it was at one point in history. Right now we hold our Federal elections on the First Tuesday after the First Monday in November.

Long ago, that wasn’t actually the date of the national election. The Constitution provides that Congress has the power to set uniform election dates–but it is not required to do so. Initially the rule was simple: states had to select their electors at some point by the first Wednesday in December–the date the Electors were required to meet and cast votes (note they didn’t meet centrally in Washington and never have, they meet on a state by state basis) but no more than 34 days prior to said date in December. So most States had their electors chosen some time in November, but the specific date varied from State to State. Remember too that the mechanism of selecting electors varied as well, with some states allowing a popular vote (among the much more restricted franchise of the time), while others chose electors by the State legislature.

This situation persisted until 1845, when the current election day was set by Congress. One issue that had arisen is that gamesmanship of various sorts could occur as politicians in states that selected electors later could adjust their choice based on how other States had voted.

The primary elections must be understood as not being part of our actual election system at all. They are such a mess for historical reasons. But the way it used to work is there wasn’t a primary season at all, there was just a convention date. Power brokers in each state would work out who the delegates would be and they’d be selected with no real input from ordinary voters. Often times a single very powerful party boss might control a huge slate of delegates who were loyal to him and would vote how he asked. Then they would all meet at the national convention, usually vote many many times, and then walk away with a party nominee.

When primaries were first developed they were strictly preference polls. These are just elections to express opinions–they have no real power. It sounds goofy, but believe it or not there was a history in the United States of conducting preference polls on various issues. This was before the age of the modern day pollster, and in fact many preference polls were sponsored by newspapers, people would literally show up, indicate their preferences, and the newspaper would run the numbers. This would create information on the “general feel” of people.

Since party primaries were just preference polls, why would they need to be worried about a “schedule?” Who cares if one state does it in January ten months before the election? These preference polls have no meaning. Who cares if another state does it a week before the party national convention?

Now, the caucuses are a remnant of the old “party power broker system” except they tend to be more democratic today, in the old system local political bosses would largely determine the outcome of caucuses or they would determine the slate of delegates who would be beholden to the wishes of the party boss, not any low level party members who happened to vote for him at the caucus. But they are also ran asynchronously. But the reason for that is because under the old system no one was really paying attention to the caucuses–it was understood an immense amount of horse trading, fighting, and politicking would have to happen at the convention for any decision about a nominee to be made. So why cover the caucus process? It h as no real bearing on what happens at the convention because the tight-lipped party bosses aren’t going to significantly telegraph their intentions, and even when they would their intentions would have to meet reality at the convention, where they may have to acquiesce to supporting a different candidate. So there was no coordination of timing of the caucuses because there frankly didn’t need to be–the timing of them wasn’t important so no one cared to try and synchronize it.

Where things got off the rails is when we made the primaries “largely binding”, and made even the caucuses binding/more democratic in almost every state that still does caucuses. This meant this long schedule of asynchronous events had real importance now, as each state’s outcome represented a generally irrevocable acquisition of support at the convention. Other things were also done to deemphasize the convention–for example in the 1800s and early 1900s a nominee was actually required to get a supermajority of delegate support. In a “primary election” system, any real contested primary would make that very difficult. For example Obama, Romney, Clinton ('92–likely '16), Dukakis, even incumbent President Jimmy Carter, would not have hit the supermajority threshold of delegates and the conventions would’ve all been contested.

So basically the system developed organically, and the schedule was “too set” by then to be easily changed, because now each state had learned there was certain value in certain positions on the calendar. Further, the electorate and politicians had quickly adapted to the “winnowing” style of primary where you start with a big slate and narrow it down, and the impetus to change that was small. There have been steps towards that, for example Super Tuesday as a concept developed out of a deliberate desire to make the primary season more compact, but it’s been a mixed bag. For example in 2008 the Democrats had a Super-Super Tuesday where like 21 states voted, that could’ve been seen by some as a trend towards a true “national primary day.” But the trend didn’t hold, Super Tuesday this year obviously the Democrats only held contests in about half as many states.

I frankly think voter-selection of party nominees is a problem, and promotes incorrect ideas about how democracy should work. Virtually no other democracy does this, and they all work fine without it–arguably they produce better candidates than we do.

The biggest issue with a Super-Super Tuesday or national primary day is that candidates don’t have the chance to stump with messages tailored to the individual states’ interests within a reasonable amount of time to keep them in the voting public’s memory before the election. They’d be stuck with national advertising and severely limited targeted-state strategies (including commercials). Even targeted commercials are no substitute for pressing the flesh and speaking in person in generating enthusiasm and votes.

The official election cycle hasn’t actually increased. The Iowa Caucus has actually been moved back from its old date.

The difference is that candidates have now begun running their campaigns much further in advance of the official start of the election cycle. How would you prevent this? What do you do to stop a person from traveling around the country and telling people he’s running for President? How do you stop the media from reporting this if they choose to do so?

Didn’t Maine have an exemption that let it hold it’s federal elections in October/September until the 1930s?

It’s a mixed blessing.

When I worked in media in the olden days, my bosses hated political season because the law says they have to sell time to candidates at the lowest cost they charge anyone, and because (once they sell time to someone) they have to sell to all candidates, even if it means making room for them.

So they had to bump the higher priced advertisers if the candidates bought up all the time.

Of course, there’s no law that says political action committees are entitled to low-cost ads, so the media can jack up the prices for them.

Depends on when you are comparing it to. When I first became a voter, New Hampshire’s primary (which was the first then, too) was the second week of March, IIRC. At one point, other states said “we want the attention NH gets”, so they moved their primaries forward. NH then moved its primary forward so that it was still first (they actually have a state law saying the NH Secretary of State must set the date of the primary so they’re always first). They don’t care about caucuses, so they allow Iowa to have theirs even earlier.

This leapfrogging of primaries happened several times, so that the NH primary ended up in January. Some sanity (although not a whole lot) has prevailed and they’ve now moved the first primaries and caucuses back to February, which is what you are referencing.

I think it’s due to the fixed terms. We in the UK started to see this in 2014/2015 as Parliament’s term came to a close, though we don’t see it with local government elections or European elections.

Such an objection, in any serious way, is unlikely, and would be about as effective as objecting to monster.com and craigslist, either of which has cost far more ad revenue loss.

Harms are highly speculative.

I guess if there is an actual disorderly many-ballot GOP convention this year, that could, conceivably, lead to the affected party somehow simplifying the system.

By pushing the conventions a month or more earlier this year, the nominating process is indeed being compressed – but only by the absurd US standard. And we get in return a longer general election campaign.

Yes. If Trump or Cruz is elected in November, I won’t be the only one wishing we had provision for snap elections.

Thanks all. The amount of money spent and the amount of press dedicated to it just seems ridiculous - if not obscene. And this past PolSci major was shocked at how little I understood the reasons for this primary system. (Of course, my major was Int’l Relations in the late 70s-early 80s. Anything you need to know about SALT II? :smack:)

Yes, that’s the reason it’s very long compared with a parliamentary sysem’s campaign. But since those campaigns are so short, the opposition has to be in kind of a continuous low level campaign all the time, just to make sure the electorate knows who they are.

The US campaign didn’t used to be quite so long. It used to be about 8 or 10 months. You can credit a certain Mr. Carter of Plains, Georgia for the current length of the campaign. Somewhere around 1974, he was an unknown outside his own state but was ambitious. So he started campaigning about two years before the next election. Well, that worked, so others began emulating him. Thus our current situtation.

Countries with Parliamentary systems can take a long time to do the same sorts of things, but because of the way the system works that’s not considered to be part of the election. If you get all the hard work of choosing the candidates done before the campaign starts, sure, the election seems a lot shorter. We just do it all at once, and treat it as one big process.