Why learn MLA or any other format?

I agree that it’s not the specific documentation style that matters, it’s the skill set involved: organization, paying attention to details, knowing how to distinguish between different types of information (e.g., the title of an article vs. the title of the journal publishing it), but above all, being able to look up and follow instructions. I always tell my students that if they’re trying to memorize where the commas and periods go, they’re doing it wrong. What they need to do is look it up. Every time. If the model citations in your book are doing something, you should be doing it too. (It surprises me how hard this is for students, but that’s all the more reason they should start practicing it early.)

And it isn’t any more difficult, really, with Internet sources than print ones; every style guide that I know of contains detailed information about how to cite online sources, with plenty of models and examples.

I found it amusing - reminded me of people I knew back in college in the 1980s.

I found it tedious because it more than slightly reminded me of my own worst work habits and tendencies…

(I got better!)

No, but that doesn’t matter. Every institution (school, publication, workplace, whatever) has a favorite. Once you know how one works, it’s not a huge deal to move between them. This is especially true today with citation management software. What’s important is that you learn the concept and understand how to fit citations into a template.

There are formats for web-based citations, and it’s not particularly hard- you just plug the information in, the same as anything else.

With that in mind, as you do more advanced research the vast majority of citations are going to be academic journals.

If you are publishing a paper, I’d hope your goal is more ambitious than “what’s the minimum that they don’t actually laugh in my face?” Editors will fix mistakes, but it’s not their job to write the citations for you, and hopefully you want to turn something in that is as complete and polished as you can get it.

Your son is learning how to write a research paper, which is a fundamental skill-- perhaps THE fundamental skill-- that he will draw on over and over again for the next 5-15 years. Of course his teachers are going to teach him how to do it right.

This varies by school. My grad school was fanatical. A single formatting error would get the paper returned to you to be corrected.

They want to graduate world-class academics. Making these kinds of mistakes reflects poorly on you and poorly on them. It’s like making an arithmetic error in an advanced math thesis- it may not be core to the subject, but it’s not something you want to get wrong.

I’ve used it as a policy analyst and business analyst in different capacities. It’s not always essential to the core job duties, but people who can write well are in short supply and needed everywhere. If you can write well AND produce polished work (including beautiful citations), it will make you shine in a lot of places.

Like even sven mentioned, I use formatting programs (EndNote, in my case). I find the source in their databases (which I may already have acquired elsewhere), and I put it where I want to put it to cite on my paper. The program then creates a bibliography at the end with the format that I tell it to do. And like I mentioned in the previous thread, the style is going to change, there is no use in memorizing a format. They change with time, and what type of format you will need varies according to the audience. I remember that I wrote a paper one time in one format, submitted it to a journal, had it rejected, and had to rewrite it and change the formatting style (easy to do with EndNote), for the other journal I ended up submitting it.

My PI was a grammar Nazi. And I followed the formatting guidelines very closely. The formatting reviewer had only minor comments on what to change, and I had time to do those before the deadline to submit it to graduate school (after it was approved by my committee).

Technically, no. He doesn’t need to learn MLA. What he does need is to learn how to use whatever arbitrary styleguide is required of his publisher (or, currently, his teacher). It’s not a thing you memorize, it’s a thing you look up when you write the paper. Or, if you’re my favorite Electronic Media professor, a thing that prompts you to grab the nearest book off of your shelves and check the back, because whatever method that guy used is probably close enough. :smiley:

Depending on what he writes, your son may discover that there isn’t a way to cite what he wants. About a decade ago, I was doing some undergrad research and discovered that there was no proper way to cite a video game in MLA – there was a documented method for citing software, but the purpose of a citation is to tell the reader how to find the thing you’re referring to, and what MLA had at the time did not involve enough/the right kind of information to pinpoint a console game.

Get him an MLA styleguide, show him how to look up what he needs, and then tell him he can let it all fall out of his head again until his teacher demands another paper.

Speaking just to the excerpt above …

See this Microsoft Manual of Style - Wikipedia

Absolutely everything written by anybody for any purpose at Microsoft follows this book’s rules. My ISV used to work closely with them; I still have my vendor’s Microsoft ID card in my memorabilia stash. All the docs for our product had to follow their standards; if not they weren’t going to help us sell our product that in turn helped them sell their products.

Our tech writers, advertising copy people, testers, devs, etc. All of their output was per MSFT’s book all the time.

MLA? Never you it. It’s trash. [rips open shirt] Chicago 4 lyfe!

But yeah, I’ve checked up citations before. Not to catch plagiarism but to read the source for my own edification.

-History grad student

University librarian here. College students get marked down on papers all the time for having incorrectly formatted citations. Personally I think professors focus too much on this when, based on what I’ve seen, undergraduate papers often have far more serious problems, but that’s the way things are. If your son is planning to go to college then it’s probably best he get used to it now.

As for the OP’s specific questions:

  1. MLA is one of the most common citation formats. MLA, APA, and sometimes Chicago/Turabian are the main ones an undergrad is likely to encounter, although they may be required to use other styles for specific classes.

  2. The major citation styles were developed before the Internet era but have not remained unchanged since then. They all have rules covering how electronic sources should be cited. Here’s the Purdue Online Writing Lab (OWL) page on citing electronic sources in MLA. (I am not at Purdue, but the Purdue OWL is one of the best known sites for cites.)

  3. An editor’s job is to decide whether your work is worth publishing, not to do your proofreading for you. Some journal publishers do provide copyediting services, but in my experience they are just as likely to introduce errors into your article as they are to fix them.

  4. I met several times with a very distressed master’s degree candidate who’d been called out for having incomplete and improperly formatted citations in a draft of his thesis. He had been told that he would be dropped from the program if he didn’t get his citations in order by a certain date.

  5. With the possible exception of novelist, I believe all of the jobs that you listed require writers to stick to a standard format. I know that screenwriting has a special format that must be followed, and many screenwriters use software designed for this purpose as it can be difficult to get scripts formatted properly in standard word processing programs.